Need guidance on Prop pitch and Power, 78 Johnson 55hp 55EL78S

mduncan

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First of all, I am completely new to the boating game.

I purchased a little 82 15 foot sea swirl. What you would call a runabout I guess, its a closed bow, with a 78 55hp Johnson 2 stroke. I heard it run before I bought it, but it didn’t have a prop. I tried to research props but couldn’t really find what pitch to use. So I guessed and put on a 15 pitch. On the water the boat got up to maybe about 15mph with the bow up in the air. Also very low rpm,s. So I did some more searching and finally found the Solas website. I ran it through their prop finder and it came up with a 9, 10, or 11. I installed an 11 pitch. I also added a tachometer. On the water it took off pretty good, the boat got up and flattened out and I could see over the bow. The tach got up to almost 3000. WOT is 5000 on that motor. I don’t know my speed, but I was mov,n along pretty good.

What happened next is what bothers me most. I shut down on the lake for about an hour. I tried to start it up. I chocked it which I guess I shouldn’t have because I obviously flooded it. I opened up the throttle a little and cranked it till it started. It took a couple minutes to burn off the extra fuel. When I started to go, it started off good at first but then kinda got stuck around 1900 rpm,s. It gradually gained speed over more than 5 minutes to finely get up to the 3000 rpm. I shut it down again for a few minutes. I started it up without the chock and it still seemed to be rich. When I started out, it did the same thing again. It took a few minutes to get up to speed.

So I’m wondering, could running rich cause a problem like that? The weird thing is that the first time I started out it got up to speed pretty quickly.

Or does it just need a lower pitch prop? 9 seems to be the lowest pitch.

Not sure what step to take at this point. Maybe someone who knows these motors can give me a place to start. .
Oh, and the compression is 100 on #1 and 110 on #2. The lakes I go to are at least 6000 ft. elevation.
Thanks for the help
 
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racerone

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The compression numbers are way too low.-----Should be around 150 PSI.-----Test with another gauge first.----Sounds like a carburetor is flooding.----I do not believe going to an 11" pitch prop was the correct procedure here.----There is something wrong with your motor.
 

mduncan

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The compression numbers are way too low.-----Should be around 150 PSI.-----Test with another gauge first.----Sounds like a carburetor is flooding.----I do not believe going to an 11" pitch prop was the correct procedure here.----There is something wrong with your motor.
More of the story...I bought it from a very large marina and boat rentals business. They did the compression test right in front of me. They showed me the results like they were something to be proud of. I am very knowledgeable about things like small block Chevy's and the like. I was surprised at the low numbers. I asked them about it and they told me its not so much the numbers as it is how close they are together. In all my recent research I also ran across an article that said not to get worked up about the numbers but they should not be a certain percentage from each other. I don't remember the percentage but I do know the 100 and 110 were in the range. I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. I'm just trying to learn what is correct and what is not correct. thank for your response.
 

mduncan

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Compression isn't great. But it sounds like it is running on 1 cylinder.
These outboard motors are definitely different then anything I'm use to.
But definitely not running on just one cylinder. it actually runs quite smooth.
Its just really bogy.
thanks for the response.
 

jimmbo

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Here is the OMC prop chart for your engine. A Dealer would have put a 15" on it. However, if the motor isn't up to Snuff, no prop is usable

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jimmbo

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These outboard motors are definitely different then anything I'm use to.
But definitely not running on just one cylinder. it actually runs quite smooth.
Its just really bogy.
thanks for the response.
It might be firing on both at low speed, but as the engine is speeded up, and the Load increases, and just before a boat gets on Plane, the loads are the Highest they will get, the engine may lose a Cylinder, cause at that point the Voltage required to fire the Spark Plug is way higher than at Idle. That is one of the reasons people are asked if the Spark can jump a 3/8" gap. And higher Rpm, a dead Cylinder, even on a Twin, won't cause any roughness/shake
 

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These outboard motors are definitely different then anything I'm use to.
But definitely not running on just one cylinder. it actually runs quite smooth.
Its just really bogy.
thanks for the response
Good luck with your motor
 

mduncan

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It might be firing on both at low speed, but as the engine is speeded up, and the Load increases, and just before a boat gets on Plane, the loads are the Highest they will get, the engine may lose a Cylinder, cause at that point the Voltage required to fire the Spark Plug is way higher than at Idle. That is one of the reasons people are asked if the Spark can jump a 3/8" gap. And higher Rpm, a dead Cylinder, even on aTwin, won't cause any roughness/shake
That is some good information. I've been meaning to get one of the spark tools anyway. So if it is cutting out, what is usually the solution? Also, this boat came from 1000ft elevation and is now at 6000ft. I know on my old carbureted 4 strokes they would need adjusted. I haven't really looked yet but I assume they have a mixture screw. ?
 

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If it is cutting out, the Solution is finding the Problem and fixing it.
As for adjusting the Carbs for altitude, a 78 55hp, has Fixed Hi and Low Speed Jets, and doesn't appear to offer any choices for altitude. The Carbs do use different sized Jets between the Upper and Lower Carbs, depending on the Transom Shaft length

#9 318823 — ORIFICE, IDLE. MODELS WITH 20FT.FT. TRANSOM USED ON UPPER CARBURETOR (1 required per assembly)
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Get your motor fixed and running properly, then figure what prop you need. The good folks on here are trying to help, if you don't wish to heed there advice, why did you ask??
 

racerone

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Just tested a 2 cylinder motor like yours and got 150 PSI and 145 PSI compression.----And I know my gauge is good / accurate.
 

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I’m not familiar with your model but I do know they can run very well at idle on one cylinder.
If you plan to move forward with this motor any new to you motor should get a new impeller.
 

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Get your motor fixed and running properly, then figure what prop you need. The good folks on here are trying to help, if you don't wish to heed there advice, why did you ask??
Now wait a second. I am heeding there advise. I am taking it ALL in and learned about things completely foreign to me. I don't think anyone is wrong about what they're telling me here. Racerone thinks I'm trying to say he's wrong about the compression but that is not true. I am thinking he is right. But one guy says don't worry about the numbers and one says do worry about the numbers then I need to figure it out. I've learned you can't listen to one opinion and think it's the answer. I am appreciating everyone's input. Believe it or not this is helping me know what to start looking at. It may be beyond my ability to make it go. In that case I'll be looking for a shop.
 

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If it is cutting out, the Solution is finding the Problem and fixing it.
As for adjusting the Carbs for altitude, a 78 55hp, has Fixed Hi and Low Speed Jets, and doesn't appear to offer any choices for altitude. The Carbs do use different sized Jets between the Upper and Lower Carbs, depending on the Transom Shaft length

Thank you I appreciate your knowledge.
 

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Been on this forum for many years, I can assure you most of the regulars on here will not steer you wrong ! Racerone is one of the good guys, he works on these things for a living. It sounds bad when you challenge an opinion that you ask for. By all means research, the more you know the better off you will be.
 

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That is some good information. I've been meaning to get one of the spark tools anyway. So if it is cutting out, what is usually the solution? Also, this boat came from 1000ft elevation and is now at 6000ft. I know on my old carbureted 4 strokes they would need adjusted. I haven't really looked yet but I assume they have a mixture screw. ?
If the Spark is cutting out, there are several things that can cause that. Shorts to Ground, Intermittent Opens, Heat can cause Electronics to fail, Poor Connections, Cold Solder Joints in Electronics, Bad Plug Wires/Boots, Cracked Porcelain Insulators of the Spark Plugs, Carbon Tracks on the Plug insulators, Bad Plugs, Gap Bridging, Moisture especially with engines used in Salt Water.
 

mduncan

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Been on this forum for many years, I can assure you most of the regulars on here will not steer you wrong ! Racerone is one of the good guys, he works on these things for a living. It sounds bad when you challenge an opinion that you ask for. By all means research, the more you know the better off you will be.
I appreciate that. I really didn't mean to challenge anyone. I was merely telling everyone other things people have told me. Like the guy who acted like the compression numbers were fine. As far as I knew they were normal for that motor. It is sometimes a little tricky when you hear conflicting information. Especially when you are a cadet as it says next to my name. However I am feeling Much more knowledgeable thanks to all of you.
 

mduncan

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Just want to thank you all for your help and knowledge. I only wanted to buy my first boat. I didn't expect it to be so difficult. When I started I knew nothing about these motors. They are a different animal. I learned that they can run smoothly in one cylinder. I thought for sure on a 2 cylinder, if it was only running on one, it would shake the hell out of you. I learned that 100 psi compression is a low number for these motors. I learned the carbs are not adjustable for elevation. Most of all, I learned I don't need to buy an anchor because I already have one. I'm going to dig into this thing and see what happens.
 
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