Murtha is just wrong!

[rodbolt]

Re: Murtha is just wrong!

dogsdad<br /> I have quite a few cousins and inlaws that are reservists.<br /> a few are in the middle east today <br /> all of them said they did not have the training they needed nor the equipment needed when they got there.<br /> most say lucky for them the marines and the army guys showed them how not to die so quick and how to use the inadequate eqiupment so that it would help them stay alive.<br /> but how can you say the 2 week a year reservist or the national guards man can be called out in two weeks, outfitted and set in combat and hope to compete with units that train everyday?<br /><br /> Im thinking dogsdad is having issues cause he aint in service.<br /> but most of the guard equipment I see is hand me downs from the proffesional side of the military, most of it is rather dated. and most reserve and guard units just dont train together enough.<br /> its a fact not a slander.<br /> I in no way ment any disrespect to any gaurdsmen or reservists. but ask your buddies if they think their units are as well equipped and trained when they first hit Iraq or afghanistan as the marines and the regular army units.<br /> seeing as you like to make fun of a lowly E-5 may I inquire as to the highest rate you achived while in service?<br /> have you personnaly ever trained with gaurd units or reservists ?<br /> I have.<br />good hardworking motivated folks. they just dont have time to train like the rest and its not their job description to be first line fighting units.<br /> its not how they are supposed to be set up. if they were each state would have an army not a state national guard unit.<br /> its not the units fault.<br /> that blame lays directly on the CIC of the armed forces, whoever it is.

 

[dogsdad]

Re: Murtha is just wrong!

Whatever you hear from the democrats and their co-conspirators in the media is what you'll repeat, rodbolt. If you gave a tinker's damn about our guys in Iraq, you wouldn't be repeating the bull$i!!.<br /><br />And yes, I have trained in active and guard units...not that it's any of your business.<br /><br />Why can't you, from your lofty perch, see that any army in a protracted conflict is going to be in positions where their training and equipment are not ideal? When did we ever field a force that was perfectly trained and equipped for a protracted conflict? I guess that's something you just don't want to think about, ain't it? Kinda gets in the way of your agenda, I suppose.<br /><br />Once again, I find myself wondering if diahrrea treatments taken orally can stem oral diahrrea as well when taken anally. Daaaayum---lookit that post count!

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Murtha is just wrong!

dogsdad<br /> sorry to see you have a diarreah problem. I hope ya get well soon though.<br /> if you will read I said nothing about a protracted engagement I said about the initial invasion force.<br /> even those of us that wanted to see a more diplomatic solution in march of 03 knew we were going in. thats when we started writing about troop and equipment strength. even some of the current administrators top dogs said rumsfeld and rices plans were inadequte. they still are<br /> we have more boots in the and now than at the start. we turned an area that had never seen a suicide bomber into a blood bath<br /> why? the invasion planners failed the US. pure and simple. just as les aspin failed in 2001 Rumsfeld and Rice failed us in 03. they should either resign or be sacked.<br /> you keep trying to label me as unpatriotic and a leftist.whatever that is.<br /> I back our troops 100%. I dont back the idiots that sent them there.<br /> they went in under false assumptions that led to time lost by chasing ghosts. they went in with poor intel on the conditions they would face and worst of all they went in without enough boots to secure the hostile borders of iraq while chasing ghosts in the interior.<br /> right now, and every military student from a high school ROTC to a retired general will tell you, we simply dont have enough boots on the ground to accomplish the mission with minimal loss of life.<br /> we have more today than the initial invasion. I think I read today that we have roughly 130K troops and about 150K total coalition forces. most military analyst say we need and needed about 300K pairs of boots to properly secure the borders while taking down the regime.<br /> those that advocated 300K in o3 got sacked by the current administration<br /> so dont tell me I dont support the troops cause I do, its the REMF's I have issues with.<br /> same as with vietnam, from a strictly technical point we had enough troops and equipment to fight and win most the battles, just never enough to occupy and control. cost a lot of young folks their lives and sanity. accomplished nothing in the end.<br /> I dont and did not wish to see it happen here.<br /><br /> dogsdad, will ya at least agree that limited warfare wont work?

 

[Kalian]

Re: Murtha is just wrong!

"we have more today than the initial invasion. I think I read today that we have roughly 130K troops and about 150K total coalition forces. most military analyst say we need and needed about 300K pairs of boots to properly secure the borders while taking down the regime."<br /><br /> Rodbolt, I don't profess to be a military expert, although I was in the army for 2 years durring peacetime. But I don't understand why you post the above quote. Is it standard practice for an army to secure the borders of a country while invading? I never heard of that before. Not trying to bust your butt, just trying to understand the post. <br /> Also, in an earlier post, was it you who said most the enemy in Iraq are Iraqi's, not foregneirs? Wouldn't that make securing the borders pointless?

 

[dogsdad]

Re: Murtha is just wrong!

Rodbolt, how can you say you back the troops when you persist in behavior the gives aid and comfort to the enemy? All you want to do is inflict damage on "the current administration," and it's clear to me that you don't give a damn who dies as a result.<br /><br />And, NO, I will not agree with you on any point whatsoever. Your responses are invariably a torrent (what I call "diahrrea of the mouth") of words designed to overwhelm and are full of false premises and assumptions.<br /><br />The best thing you could do to back the troops is remove the keys of your keyboard.