mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

dzurinko

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I'm a first time poster and will be needing some restoration advice. I just bought a 1987 16' mirrorcraft northport troller that will be my summer project. Its in fairly poor condition. Floor is soft in many places. Its been modified by previous owner with pieces of plywood screwed into the side storage compartments to accommodate rod holders. There is a ton of wires tucked in every crevice for a car radio and depth finder and all the control wires for the 35hp engine. There are 3 filthy pedestol chairs that begin to lift the floor when you lean on them. All this coupled with 2 wheelbarrow loads of dead leaves and grass and moss growing out of the carpet. Sounds like a mess but the aluminum is in very good condition and I owned this exact model boat back in 1987 when I bought one new. It was a very comfortable boat and was in pristine condition when I traded up in 2000. But now I need a 16' aluminum for smaller lakes. I plan to tear everything out and rebuild the inside. After reading many of the forums I'm a bit confused on what to use as a structure under the floor. Some say wood and others say square tubing. I do a lot of woodworking so Id have no problem making a floor structure but I don't understand how to attach square tube to the ribs in the bottom. Any suggestions? Ill have a million other questions but Id like to get this one answered first. Thanks for any advice you can provide.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Not sure why additional under-deck structure is needed? Is this one of those models with no stringers and just tons of foam?
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Hi Ezmobee, thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate any guidance you can give me. I'll post some pics later today. Actually, I mis-spoke about the "stringers". The metal braces going from port to starboard is not what I meant. I thought there was going to be a wooden structure underneath that I was referring to as stringers. Obviously I used the wrong term. Its been 23 years since I had this previous same boat and couldn't remember what it looked like under the floor. Well yesterday I started taking out a few screws and before I knew it I had stripped everything off. There is one center beam stern to aft that looks like a 2X5 solid piece of oak. It was cut at a slight taper end to end so that in the front of the beam was about 5 inches high and tapered down to nothing at the very rear of the boat. The old floor was screwed into the center beam and on each side at the aluminum ribs which sit about 1" higher than the boat aluminum bottom. The 1/2 inch plywood was completely rotted. When I stepped into the back of the boat, I went right through the floor and found myself standing on the aluminum ribs (stringers?). So everything is stripped out now. Down each side of the boat near the rear is two compartments about 36"L X 12"W by 16"H that are full of foam. No foam on the bottom of the boat at all. I guess the aluminum ribs going port to stern are "Stringers" huh? Those are very solid and no rivets missing at all. All the aluminum looks to be in great shape. Judging by the way the old carpet is under the storage compartments on each side, its all original. The only way to get the storage compartments off is to drill the rivets so that's how I know this boat has never been re-floored before. The boat is a 1987 so the rotted 1/2" floor is 26 years old. My next step will be to use a sharp spackling trowel and try to get the last few inches of carpet out from under the storage compartment to make room for tucking new carpet up in there when I get that far. The transom seems to have a slight bow to it. Maybe 3/4 of an inch over the width. I have to get the 35Hp motor off before I can inspect it. I think the motor is a little large for the 16' aluminum boat. I'd rather eventually go for a 25hp tiller without the old helm and control stuff. More room to fish. Any suggestions?
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Your terminology was correct originally I think. The port to starboard stiffeners are indeed the ribs. The bow to stern braces are the stringers. This is what mine looks like with the deck and foam removed: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2251.jpg As you can see, the deck is fastened to the ends of the ribs at the sides of the boat and to the stringer towards the middle. What's odd to me is that you've got wood under the deck.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Any suggestions?

Hmmm well...

1st, we need some photos of what you are working on.

2nd, no doubt your rig has been re decked. Probably what would be best to put back in is alum "stringers" that run bow/stern (like Starcrafts) or port/starboard (like Sea Nymphs).

3rd, yur transom is no doubt shot based on the "bow" back there. Time for a new one!

Welcome to iboats and the iboats drydock! :welcome:
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Also, in my opinion, a 35HP motor is not at all too large for a 16' boat.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Hi guys. Okay here are some pic's. I had one center beam (1 1/2" oak) down the middle which I lifted out to begin cleaning up so you wont see it in the pics.. Because of the storage boxes on the sides, I don't think I can go any higher or the floor will be above the bottom of the boxes. The carpet went all the way across the boat and under the storage boxes on each side which have the original rivets securing it to the sides of the boat. In the bottom of the storage boxes, is about a foot of foam covered by some plywood and then a hinged door on top, which I've already removed. I can't pull the carpet out from under the storage boxes because the foam was pored inside the original boxes on top of the carpet. Looks like the manufactured installed the deck and carpet first, then riveted the storage boxes through the side of the boat, then the foam filling. I figured this out when I was able to pull a very small section of carpet out from under the boxes and it had foam residue on it. But 99% 0f the carpet is removed. Its just the thin strips that go under the storage compartments that's left. I can't get out from under there (Grrrrrrr). So because the boxes have the original rivets and the carpet is under them embedded in foam, I'm positive the carpet has never been replaced. Without getting the carpet up, its impossible to replace the plywood floor. Based on that, its GOT to be the original deck. I don't want to drill the rivets to remove the boxes to get the carpet out as some of them are below the waterline and that's asking for trouble. I'm thinking if using a razor knife, I can cut the carpet about 1/2 inch under the boxes if I cut on an angle, then when I re carpet, tucking it up under the boxes with a spackling knife. Thoughts?
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

EZmobee, the boat has a max rating of 35hp and it has a 35hp. But that old 1987 Merc has got to weigh 180 lbs. You don't think its too heavy to hang on the transom (after I replace it of course)? I thought maybe half the problem with the bow in the transom was the weight of the engine. I'm sure old wood has something to do with it as well.
 

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Jasoutside, I only have room for one stringer down the dead center. If I move away from the center and try to put two (one on each side away from centerline) I'll be too high to catch the ribs on the edges I think. I got to stay no higher than bottom of the storage boxes. The old centerboard stringer was solid oak. No rot at all. Shocked based on what the plywood looked like. I think your right about the transom. Need to get it out.
 

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Newer motors are actually much heavier than the old ones. The rotted wood killed your transom, definitely not the HP. Yes I have seen shallow tinnies like this one with a single stringer down the middle. Never seen it made out of wood though. Weird.
 

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The 27 year old two inch thick tapered oak (5" down to 1/2 inch in two pieces totalling about 11 feet )is in perfect shape which is amazing being its been on top of the ribs that long. Not a spot of rot. Solid. Would you recommend I put it back or use a new one. There is a very tiny opening under each rib to allow water to evacuate to the back and drain out. Its only in the very center and almost big enough to slide a nickle or dime under them. Maybe this helped keep that oak beam out of any water. Should I order a new 2 x 6 x 14 feet oak board and taper it with a circular saw or put the old one back?
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Now that my mirrorcraft is cleaned out to the bottom, I have to work on the transom. Its got a slight bow to it thinking it was the weight of the 35hp motor. Ezmobee said the motor size is good for a 16 foot tinny and jasoutside felt the bow in the transom was rotting and weak. So today I thought I'd get fresh fuel and try to start this engine that the previous owner said hasn't run in two years. To my surprise, after a short choke it fired right up. Forward and reverse worked fine. So now that I know this engine works fine and based upon what Ezmobee and jasoutside said, I think I'll keep it and use it rather than buy another late model used motor. I'm real happy because I bought this 16' boat, trailer, and 35hp merc on Craigslist and was a little skeptical that the engine would even run because we couldn't get it running at the sellers house. But I thought $900 was a great price for the boat and trailer even if the engine didn't run so I bought it. I'm shocked, so far everything other than a rotted floor after 27 years is just fine. So now I have a few more hurdles to jump before I start painting, filling small pitting, and rebuilding which brings me to several questions:

1. I want to leak test it once I get the engine off. My buddy says fill it about 6-12 inches deep with water and look for leaks. But I'm a bit weary putting that much weight in it as I'm afraid it could pop rivets on the ribs. I'm more inclined to take it to a lake and sit in it for 10 minutes. Yes its a bit more work but I don't know if I like the idea of putting stress on the inside pushing out rather than on the outside pushing in. Thoughts on this?

2. On the inside, (see pics above), there was plywood covered with carpet and at the edge of the plywood, the carpet curved up on a 45 degree angle for about 6 - 8 inches over some sheet aluminum to where the water line is at which point it was glued. I'm thinking about raising the center stringer so the plywood with carpet is flat right to the sides of the boat. This means that in some places, it will be 3 to 4 inches up the sides of the foam filled boxes. But it will give the boat a cleaner look (without a taper up on the sides) and will allow you to step 6 inches closer to the sides of the boat. I don't know if the CG (Center of Gravity) will change that much with a 3 - 4 inch raise. The deck will then be at about the water line as opposed to under the water line. Also, at the very back, it will get the plywood up off the flat ribs and out of any accumulated water. It will create an airspace under the floor which it really doesn't in its current configuration. Will this cause the boat to lean over more when standing at the very edge of the deck? I'm not sure what a 3 - 4 inch difference in height will make but there are a lot of people with a lot more experience than me. Thoughts on raising the deck a few inches?

3. lastly, the trailer is the normal galvanized type. Its got some rusty spots and just looks dirty and un-kept. Lots of corrosion beginning to appear like a powdery rough surface.. It was previously used in salt water as a crabbing vessel. I'd like to wire brush it and paint it. I realize that some of the bolts will end up being "painted on" and difficult to remove in the future if I paint it, but I was curious of others paint their trailers or just let them weather. Sure would appreciate some commentary on trailer maintenance.

As always, thanks in advance for the guidance. I appreciate all the knowledge I can get from you guys.



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1. Good plan. Take a Sharpie with you and mark wherever you see water intrusion.

2. My first thought when I saw your pictures of the curved bottom of that boat was "that must me tippy". Therefore, I gotta say I don't think you wanna raise the CG of it if you can help it. On those side boxes, I believe they have a purpose. They tie the boat sides into the deck to stiffen the whole thing up. They kinda take the place of the benches that would have been in a rowboat-type version of this hull. It could be floppy without them.

3. Go ahead and paint it. However, I believe you have to hit galvanized with a self-etching primer first kinda like you do aluminum or the paint won't stick. I was able to find Duplicolor's etching primer in rattle cans pretty reasonably at Pep-Boys. You only need a very light coat of this stuff. I'd still probably recommend you use a regular primer on top of that.
 

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Yep galvanized needs SE primer too! I would make sure and do a really good acid wash on it as well. I'd recommend using some Sno-Bowl toilet bowl cleaner to wash it down first (oxalic acid, so wear a mask) and then rinse well with some water an put a cup of bicarbonate soda in the water to neutralize the acid) Once it's washed and rinsed and dryed well then as EZ says a light coating of the SE primer is all thats needed and then a couple of coats of Rustoleums Bare Metal Primer and you're ready for the Color Coats.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Thanks gents. I guess Ill keep the floor at the original height. Thanks for the tips an trailer painting too. And Ill be sure to take a sharpie for marking. If I get any droplets around any rivets...., I guess Gluvit is my best bet. Agree? The first 3 feet of the bow had a high raised deck with a storage compartment under it to store anchor and other things. I will rebuilt that according to original specs. Would there be an advantage to running heavy duty wire under the floor from the front and place the battery up there? Would wire with 12volt current laying across ribs from front to cockpit where I would have connections for all other components. It would put 40 lbs in the front rather than the back. Do you see any downside to putting it up front?
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

When using SE on the outside of the hull, do I only hit the bear spots or the entire boat? 99% of the original paint is intact, but there are bear spots where the previous owner scraped the dock a couple dozen times and the tie down strap marks from rubbing while trailering.

Second question is, after SE, do I only prime the areas that have SE or the entire boat? I want to do it right, but I don't want to do something that adds no benefit.
 

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Yep. I got a copy of the original brochure for the 16' Mirrorcraft Northport Troller and the skematic shows that stringer down the center. BTW, the reason I asked about raising the deck a couple inches is that the last four feet toward the stern, the plywood rests on the ribs. I'm sure when out on rainy days, that plywood is laying in water. I thought if I raised it a couple inches, it would provide some air between the flooring and the water.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

When using SE on the outside of the hull, do I only hit the bear spots or the entire boat? 99% of the original paint is intact, but there are bear spots where the previous owner scraped the dock a couple dozen times and the tie down strap marks from rubbing while trailering.

Second question is, after SE, do I only prime the areas that have SE or the entire boat? I want to do it right, but I don't want to do something that adds no benefit.

SE only necessary on the bare spots. Regular prime the whole thing.
 

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Re: mirrorcraft northport troller tinny - need rehab guidance

Thanks ezmobee. Will do.
 

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dzurinko, the Northport is a pretty decent boat. Light yet sturdy. As for the engine I just sold my 14' Lund with remote steering to my little brother. That lil Lund also has a max HP of 35 and does have a 35hp Evinrude on it. You should have no difficulties running that engine on that boat.

Also looks like you have it under control with your replacement decking. Was there foam under it or just in the side boxes?

Now if the weather ever clears up I'll be getting my new project started with a dunk in the lake, a quick spin to check out the new engine then on to dry dock to replace my decking and possibly the foam.
 
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