Mercruser 470/ 170 compatible parts

rrick

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I have an old Mercruiser 470 in my boat and recently had fuel pump failure. I'm looking for a new fuel pump but am having trouble finding what I need. Does anyone know if the 170 has the same pump as the 470? When I Google it in get all kinds of conflicting results. When I search for the 170 pump there is a couple that look exactly right but they don't list as fitting a 470 engine.
The one in the picture seems to be right but doesn't list it as fitting the 470 (which is pretty much an identical engine.)
 

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Scott06

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Depends on what your serial number is . There are three different listings for the 470 depending on serial or year range. You can click on them drill down to fuel pump. looks there are two styles depending on if fuel bowl is up or down

 

ROY WILLIAMS

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I have an old Mercruiser 470 in my boat and recently had fuel pump failure. I'm looking for a new fuel pump but am having trouble finding what I need. Does anyone know if the 170 has the same pump as the 470? When I Google it in get all kinds of conflicting results. When I search for the 170 pump there is a couple that look exactly right but they don't list as fitting a 470 engine.
The one in the picture seems to be right but doesn't list it as fitting the 470 (which is pretty much an identical engine.)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0177KD04...2-7e9927a19318&ref_=sspa_dk_rhf_search_pt_sub

my 1978 MCM 470 is the fuel pump ...
 

Scott Danforth

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your 170 hp motor is known as the 470
 

bobyouruncle1

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You might check Ford pumps.
The engine is essentially half a Ford 390 cu in engine I think it 390 but definitely Ford.
I know I did a head gasket and from Merc it was $150 a Fel Pro gasket. I copied the number and went to an automotive parts store and got the exact same one for $18.
Could be similar with the fuel pump.

Most inboards use car parts just altered for marine use. A lot are identical parts.
 

racerone

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Make sure you install a " marine " fuel pump.----Or make a parachute part of your safety kit.
 

Scott Danforth

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You might check Ford pumps.
The engine is essentially half a Ford 390 cu in engine I think it 390 but definitely Ford.
I know I did a head gasket and from Merc it was $150 a Fel Pro gasket. I copied the number and went to an automotive parts store and got the exact same one for $18.
Could be similar with the fuel pump.

Most inboards use car parts just altered for marine use. A lot are identical parts.
Not in this case. The only thing Ford on the Mercruiser 470 is the head (modified with a big ole hole), pistons and rods. Everything else is GM or custom Mercruiser. It's a Carter marine pump, similar to the 3.0

The Ford head gasket is for a closed deck
 

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It uses most of the rotating assembly and cylinder head from a 385 series 460 Ford. Everything else is Mercruiser design.
 

ROY WILLIAMS

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You might check Ford pumps.
The engine is essentially half a Ford 390 cu in engine I think it 390 but definitely Ford.
I know I did a head gasket and from Merc it was $150 a Fel Pro gasket. I copied the number and went to an automotive parts store and got the exact same one for $18.
Could be similar with the fuel pump.

Most inboards use car parts just altered for marine use. A lot are identical parts.
was the engine Mercrusier ?
 

racerone

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Engine was Mercruiser effort.----Aluminum block.----Closed cooling.----I heard that Mercury was afraid that supply of automotive blocks was at risk.
 

dubs283

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---I heard that Mercury was afraid that supply of automotive blocks was at risk.

I doubt this

When GM was manufacturing long blocks for mercury they would assemble one year's supply of every displacement engine for mercruiser in 48 hours. Serious volume capability

The colloquially known 470 was introduced in the late 70's to fill the option spot left from the GM 3.8L engine that mercruiser determined didn't produce the torque required to push a small runabout efficiently

In house designed with the aforementioned Ford parts the 470 aluminum block and large cylinder displacement met the proper torque to weight ratio for the slew of 17-20 foot runabouts being manufactured

Sea ray (and others) even used twin 470 sterndrive setups for mid size cabin cruisers, 270 AJ, Sundancer, Weekender, etc...

When the 4.3L became the ubiquitous GM V6 option the 470 phased out in the late 80's due to better 4.3L performance, warranty issues, specific parts manufacturered only for the 470 requiring less volume in manufacturing, ease of complete long block built to spec acquisition, etc.

The 470, when sound in operation performs quite well in a 17-20 foot runabout with a quick hole shot and wot speed easily in the mid 40's. Kind of a shame it eventually lost support from mercury but they had to cut their losses and move on
 

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I grabbed a fuel pump for my 3.7 / 190 from Summit Racing. They have quite a few parts at reasonable prices
 

Faztbullet

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That lil motor has tons of potential if applied. I sold a fellow (10) of these as he raced dirt track. He bought (2) and called me back and I found him (8) more. He had a custom cam, aluminum tube intake, 1050 Holley, headers and other go fast work to motor. He said he could get right at 500hp on dyno with alcohol. Said he was dusting his 4 cylinder class
 

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agreed, they are popular on the HAMB. including running SOHC head.
 

Scott Danforth

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How do you do that?

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Scott Danforth

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That's 113 pages, I'll take your word that there's a sohc head and that you somehow remove the ohv bits and run a new timing chain...
most of those guys are die-hard hot rodders with a garage full of machining equipment.
 
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