Mercruiser or Volvo? Which is best?

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Re: Mercruiser or Volvo? Which is best?

I saw the business plan at a meeting attended at the Fon Du Lac plant 13 months ago. The article linked will have to do for now, nothing I can add to that at this time
 

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Interesting that they are developing new engines. I did read that correct right?

Hope they learned their lesson from the 470.
 

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Interesting that they are developing new engines. I did read that correct right?

Hope they learned their lesson from the 470.

I would be real interested to see how this one plays out. Are they going to tool up and start making their own blocks and everything or are they just going to change and start using Isuzu blocks and heads (no joke they make decent stuff that powers allot of things).

With the marine business being mostly dependant on a good economy I would think it would be too risky to go full force and make your own motor from one end to the other. I would think its way cheaper to bolt your stuff on to an existing platform.

Also one of the things I like about the current way I/O is the blocks are cheep. If it is 100% propritiary Mercruser how much is that going to inflate the price on new boats or for those poor people who destroy their motors.

I don't know if Merc makes their own blocks and what not for the outboards but if they do it would be interesting to see if they shift in that direction. Perhaps the Sea Ray 37 Venture was a indication of the direction Brunswic will be ordering their boat companies to go in with the idea of eating their own dog food and keeping costs down.
 

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make sure that whatever you buy has the capability....through the factory and or any extra fuel filter system...to stop any water that may find it's way into your tank reaching your nice new motor, thereby destroying it, like my two month old mercruiser with two filters for each motor on the boat,

l also know of an 10 yr old mercruiser that had the exhaust manifolds changed on the recommendation of a marine workshop, unfortunately they were faulty and soon wrecked the motor, which was replaced by the installer/mercruiser but the owner still had a large bill for extras,

do lots of research before handing over your money, it may save your wallet....and hair LOL
 

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I don't think I would buy one of these for a few years until they worked out all the bugs.
 

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If you really want the best, go OMC. It'll leave a Merc/Volvo in the dust. :happy:
 

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I don't think I would buy one of these for a few years until they worked out all the bugs.

And I suppose you could almost say that about the new Volvo engines, Except they are still based on the GM 6.0L engines (430,380 and new 350HP sterndrive engines) You can even throw in the Volvo 225HP V8, based on the old 5.7L block. Might want to see how those pan out before ordering one on a new boat.
 

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And I suppose you could almost say that about the new Volvo engines, Except they are still based on the GM 6.0L engines (430,380 and new 350HP sterndrive engines) You can even throw in the Volvo 225HP V8, based on the old 5.7L block. Might want to see how those pan out before ordering one on a new boat.
Who is manufacturing them?

I would be more concerned about new complete designs. Is Mercruiser doing something similar to Volvo?
 

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I own a Volvo 6.0l 380hp version and it is awesome. The l96 GM marinised engines have been used for some time now by Indmar in ski boats. Fully closed cooling(yes, even the manifolds), VVT, 6000rpm WOT, very fuel efficient, and light weight when compared to competitors.

I have owned both merc and volvo, and would own either again.
 

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From the article it sounds like Merc is not going to use GM engines anymore. If they go to something in house I bet the parts will be crazy expensive.
 

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Maybe Merc is bringing back the vazer :facepalm:
 

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Okay, some great info in the thread, but changing its course a bit, as a boating mechanic newbie, if my GM ever lets go, ( please no, not tempting fate!), what would you guys replace the engine with? Same or otherwise?
 

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same if you are currently happy with it.
 

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Okay, some great info in the thread, but changing its course a bit, as a boating mechanic newbie, if my GM ever lets go, ( please no, not tempting fate!), what would you guys replace the engine with? Same or otherwise?

Another GM 3.0 unless you want more power. At that point I would jump to a 4.3 complete from flame arrestor to prop unless you wanted a lot of power, then I would probably consider a different boat.
 

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Both companies have had hits and misses over the years. But if you stick with the standard stuff, and skip some of the misses, Volvo all the way.

On the drives

Volvo - SX and DPS are bulletproof, and always have been. The SX is comparable to the alpha, but it shifts better than an alpha

Mercruiser - Alphas been around 40 years in some variation or another, they are fine. But still to this day (2014) Bravo 3's still have corrosion problems.

On the engines

Both use GM base engines. So the actual blocks are all the same (again skipping the older out of date stuff). However, how Volvo marinizes the engine and how Mercruiser does it are 2 different things.

Volvo - Easy to get to impeller, fuel pumps, fuel filters, coolers, and zincs. Nothing really to complain about. All of the stuff you would normally maintain is easy to get to, and well thought out.

Mercruiser - Hard to get to impeller (if you have an alpha you have to dismantle the drive), but the engine mounted pumps are no better,, Lower left, tucked under everything, and hard to get to. Fuel pumps and filters, bottom right, tucked in behind the motor mounts. Nightmare to get to. Cooler locations are not so bad. Their dam "water pressure sensors" which go bad all the time are either down on the bottom right, or way behind the engine. Again, sucks to get to.

Other than that, once you strip off all of the stuff Mercruiser put on the block, it's the same as a Volvo.

As to who wrote "Volvo's parts are much more expensive"

Bullcrap.... Go price a set of wires for an 8.1, or a serpentine belt or something like that.

1 last note. I have owned both, and I will probably not own another Mercruiser if I can help it. With my personal exceptions being if I get a small tool around boat with a 3.0 in it, or if I get an older Sweet 16. But other that that, I would skip them. But that's my own personal opinion.
 
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As to who wrote "Volvo's parts are much more expensive"

Bullcrap.... Go price a set of wires for an 8.1, or a serpentine belt or something like that.

Go price a Volvo fuel pump for a 5.7L, then price a fuel pump for a Mercruiser of same displacement. Loss to Volvo.
 

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Go price a Volvo fuel pump for a 5.7L, then price a fuel pump for a Mercruiser of same displacement. Loss to Volvo.
Hmmm...in my year they are about the same.
 

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Go price a Volvo fuel pump for a 5.7L, then price a fuel pump for a Mercruiser of same displacement. Loss to Volvo.

These "pumps" are not just pumps any longer, but a combination of pumps and fuel coolers.

On the Volvo, if you need just the high pressure pump it's 270, but if you need the whole fuel cell it's 900

On the Mercruiser, it's in the middle, 425

However, the Volvo is much easier to work on. You can swap the high pressure pump out in 1.5 hours, or swap the whole fuel cell out in an hour. On the Mercruiser. If you have just a single engine, 3 to 4 hours to swap the pump/cooler out. (most shops are 90 an hour). Unless your unlucky and have that boat with zero access in it and the engine has to come out.
And if you have twin engines, and it's the starboard engine. That engine is definitely coming out to replace the fuel pump. Want to guess what the labor is now?

How about the fuel filters? The Volvo filter is like 9 bucks. The Mercruisers, there are 2 of them, one is 30 bucks and the other is 55. So your at 85 bucks for just fuel filters. Labor on the filters.... Volvo, about 5 minutes. Mercruiser, 2 hours. Even Caterpillar isn't that bad.
 
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Re: Mercruiser or Volvo? Which is best?

Interesting that they are developing new engines. I did read that correct right?

Hope they learned their lesson from the 470.

They don't have much choice in the matter. In the article it tells you GM is not going to supply the blocks.
Volvo is already on top of it with two new engines
 
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