Mercruiser 470 witerizing

jabfd

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Hello. I have read that all I have to do is pull the after plug and drain the raw water and iam done . Is this true ? Last year my friend helped we did 5 gal of antifreeze thru muffs thanks again.
 

achris

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Re: Mercruiser 470 witerizing

Running anti-freeze through a 470 is a little pointless... All the raw water runs through is the drive pick-ups, the water pump, through the transom and into the raw water side of the heat exchanger, then out through the exhaust elbow....

I would just remove the drive (for its 'pre-winter' service ;)), then pull the drain at the back of the exchanger and make sure all the water comes out (give it a poke with a small screwdriver or a piece of wire). Also check the anti-freeze in the engine, make sure it's at a concentration for the lowest expected temperature... I believe there are kits for that....... And you're done.

Chris......
 

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Re: Mercruiser 470 witerizing

Chris. When you mean remove the drive is that lower part like doing a raw water pump or the hole drive
 

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Running anti-freeze through a 470 is a little pointless...
Chris......

That has the be the DUMBEST thing I have read on here up to this point.
Do NOT listen to him on this!!!!!


jabfd,
Remove the top of the very front cooling hose from the heat exchanger and just pour about 1/2 gallon of anti marine antifreeze into that hose. This will mix with the water that is in the exchanger. Do not just pull the rear most plug on the bottom and you will still have water in there to freeze. Once you pour the antifreeze in, you will see some run out on the ground. This is a good thing. Then just make sure to top off the coolant level in the reservoir and store it with the drive all the way down and the bow as high as you can get it, within reason.
I have been doing that for years in my 470 and never had a problem. Of course that is not the all I do, but I am answering your specific question.
A used heat exchanger is between $400 and $900, when you can find one.
 

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Drain the water out of the raw water side of the cooling system, using all the provided drains, check antifreeze in heat exchanger ( the closed side of the system ).. done.. No need to pour marine antifreeze down thru the raw water hoses in the heat exchanger to force all the water out of it, it is pointless to do that. The heat exchanger has a drain plug and will empty.
 
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Re: Mercruiser 470 witerizing

Attached are 3 pages from Manual #8 regarding winterizing the engine. (There are other steps to winterizing besides freeze protection)

I have never added antifreeze to the seawater side of my exchanger and have never had a problem myself. Remove the aft drain plug at the bottom of the exchanger and poke the hole.

If your boat's bow end is down then sure you WILL have some residual water trapped in there. If you winterize according to the pages below... It states the engine must be level or bow end slightly higher to drain properly...
 

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achris

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Re: Mercruiser 470 witerizing

Drain the water out of the raw water side of the cooling system, using all the provided drains, check antifreeze in heat exchanger ( the closed side of the system ).. done.. No need to pour marine antifreeze down thru the raw water hoses in the heat exchanger to force all the water out of it, it is pointless to do that. The heat exchanger has a drain plug and will empty.

I do believe that is what I said.... Just checking..... Yep, that's what I said.... Matt, it looks like you join me in the dummies corner.... :facepalm:

Chris......

EDIT: Just looked in the Mercruiser manual for those engines... Guess what... This corner is getting very crowded. ;) Oh, and a warm welcome to Eric... You come here often?
 
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Unfortunately.... more on here than on the boat :facepalm: not from any issues with it, just time.

Congrats on the new title :thumb: think they made a wise choice... hopefully the other mods don't leave the private bathroom too much of a mess for you to clean. ;)
 

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Hello. I have read that all I have to do is pull the after plug and drain the raw water.

That is all you have to do. As a matter of fact I am going to do mine today, will pull the plug right on the ramp and let it drain out through the transom (it's only water), done:D!

Further explanation: I strongly disagree on the adding antifreeze to the exchanger because the antifreeze will be diluted by the water in the exchanger and also because it is possible water could remain in the power steering cooler (on the hose going from the back of the exchanger to the exhaust elbow) and not mix with the antifreeze because it is above the exchanger and isolated by the hose. That water could freeze and damage the cooler. Just because it has not happened in the past does not mean it might not happen in the future. Draining by pulling the aft exchanger plug is the easiest and most effective (and recommended in the Merc. Manual) way to winterize the 470. BTW get yourself one of these Buy Peak Antifreeze and Coolant Tester PKF0AB at Advance Auto Parts (the money you save on antifreeze should just about pay for it) and check your engine antifreeze, should be about 50/50 .
 
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That has the be the DUMBEST thing I have read on here up to this point.
Do NOT listen to him on this!!!!!


Do not just pull the rear most plug on the bottom and you will still have water in there to freeze.

Not sure why you believe this, but it is not true.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 470 witerizing

Ok thank you all for your reply I been reading and looking At my 470 if I pull the after plug everything higher then that ps oil cooler h e should all be drain with gravity . Now the raw water hose going to the h e that should drain back down the leg with the bow up and the leg down right thanks for ever body response I love this site
 

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Remove the top of the very front cooling hose from the heat exchanger and just pour about 1/2 gallon of anti marine antifreeze into that hose. This will mix with the water that is in the exchanger. Do not just pull the rear most plug on the bottom and you will still have water in there to freeze. Once you pour the antifreeze in, you will see some run out on the ground. This is a good thing. Then just make sure to top off the coolant level in the reservoir and store it with the drive all the way down and the bow as high as you can get it, within reason.
I have been doing that for years in my 470 and never had a problem. Of course that is not the all I do, but I am answering your specific question.
A used heat exchanger is between $400 and $900, when you can find one.
"Now now, Bifflefan, you've been a long term, helpful, informative, iboats member to know by now that the use of antifreeze during winter storage is considered more of an personal preference versus an absolutely recommended process to do.

And i know you know that the theory goes both ways here. Under normal circumstances, our air in our part of the world does not freeze low enough to freeze air so that we can't live within a livable environment. All the while i would think (without looking it up) if the air did get to a freezing point, then it would be hard to believe that antifreeze wouldn't freeze as well at some point. So by draining more than most of the water out of the system, in theory that shouldn't allow any left over water to expand enough to damage anything really.

And of course the other side of the theory is using antifreeze helps prevent rusting at a greater rate along with preventing ice to form in a cavity during freezing and causing damage.

Now we all have our theories of which way is better or easier to do and ultimately it will have to be up to the poster to go with what way they would prefer, all we can do is give our personal suggestions of what has worked for us in the past such as you and everyone here has done to help guide the original poster to a more comfortable solution.

While providing our suggestions, it is preferred for all iboats forum members to be as courteous to one another at all times even during disagreements of one's suggestion. All the suggestions above are within reason for the original poster to make an informative decision thus there's no reason at all to be disrespectful with someone else's reasonable suggestions.

Thank you and thank you all for understanding the sympathy of the situation at hand.:)

Hello. I have read that all I have to do is pull the after plug and drain the raw water and i am done . Is this true ? Last year my friend helped we did 5 gal of antifreeze thru muffs thanks again.
Hi there jabfd, Welcome to iboats! As previously mentioned above, both ways work well and are safe to do. It's more of what your comfortable doing.:)

Good luck.:)
 

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As previously mentioned above, both ways work well and are safe to do. It's more of what your comfortable doing.:)

Just to add a little to that, if you choose to use antifreeze, the only way to be absolutely sure of freeze protection is to drain the water first, and then add your antifreeze. That goes for both fresh water systems like the 470 exchanger and raw water cooled engines.
 
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