I did all my experimenting with all of the sniper predecessors (the Holley DFI systems) in the 90's and 00's I suggest keeping the carbI looked into this when I did my 4.3, pretty interesting. I haven't seen any threads here with anyone doing this conversion. I'd be wary of any potential power/economy benefits with a TBI system, but it looks pretty slick. I don't think any of the "keep the carb" crew has any experience with this system. That said, I'd keep the carb unless money is no object/you feel like experimenting for fun.
So what were the issues/do you not think any progress has been made in 20 years?I did all my experimenting with all of the sniper predecessors (the Holley DFI systems) in the 90's and 00's I suggest keeping the carb
Back then, the electronics were unreliable, tuning was still required for every application (even if you just swapped parts).So what were the issues/do you not think any progress has been made in 20 years?
Hope you went for the Edelbrock aluminum headH And fully rebuilt head with stainless valves.
I'm sure the electronics are light years ahead, the self tuning is cool (don't know how the O2 sensor would hold up, or if it's just for initial tuning and then runs open loop). Trying to tune a carb on a boat has been frustrating for me. Don't know anything about the fast systems, though it looks like they have a much more expensive marine systemBack then, the electronics were unreliable, tuning was still required for every application (even if you just swapped parts).
had a custom EFI setup done with a high-end shop in Chicago for a motor back in the mid 90's. Spent $4500 on EFI only to loose 5% peak power and 7% fuel economy.
I went back to carbs.
Buddy of mine still builds hot-rods. tried Fi-Tech and Sniper a few times, went back to carbs. all his EFI projects are now turn-key LSX motors with FAST EFI
If you need to stab an o2 sensor in you will need something like this https://www.michiganmotorz.com/o2-spacer-stock-mercury-riser-wet-jointHere is why im doing this.
- I Like the concept of the Big bore 4 cylinder.
- It came with the boat and condition was good.
- reliable starting in cold weather ( i fish bay of quinte up until freezing)
- adjustable idle rpm (trolling)
-hopefully fuel economy.
-I will update post as I assemble engine.
.Additionally cost is low so far.
approx $3000 including Sniper. And fully rebuilt head with stainless valves.
- cost of a new outboard is $30 000 +
$2000.00 for engine bracket.
agree that tuning a marine carb is trial/error and plug reading especially if you do something like build custom motor are trying to dial it in...... could add an O2 bung for tuning and then plug later.I'm sure the electronics are light years ahead, the self tuning is cool (don't know how the O2 sensor would hold up, or if it's just for initial tuning and then runs open loop). Trying to tune a carb on a boat has been frustrating for me. Don't know anything about the fast systems, though it looks like they have a much more expensive marine system
I might do that (we're going to continue to first work on getting it back on the water after its unfortunate attempt at becoming a submarine). I didn't have any luck at all with plug chops, and while they were nice and tan after the season, all that really tells me is that I'm in the ballpark a/f ratio at mid range. WOT is nearly impossible to figure out, which makes my 4bbl carb less awesome. It would be cool to see a/f out of the hole, and I could dial my midrange cruise for maximum fuel economy. I wonder how much of a difference 12:1 vs. 14:1 might make in economy despite maybe no difference in drivability.agree that tuning a marine carb is trial/error and plug reading especially if you do something like build custom motor are trying to dial it in...... could add an O2 bung for tuning and then plug later.
Right. With my plug reads, I may be running richer than I need to be and wasting fuel even though it's running well. Only real way to do this with better than "horseshoes and hand grenades" precision is with an 02 sensor.for power (load pickup), you need to be in the 11.5-12 range.
for moderate to light load, you can go as lean as 14:1
Perfect. On the harden one they have a couple small holes on either side of oxygen sensor for cooling, and they claim their anodizing resists the corrosion sometimes seen with aluminum on the raw water side, but may e you can find a way to keep this on the closed side of the coolingI am a machinist by trade. I have a Bridgeport and toolroom lathe. my plan is a 1” spacer between the exhaust manifold and the resevoir/ mixing elbow. I will post pics as I progress.
I would machine a bore stabilizing spider for the open deck block and modify an Edelbrock aluminum ford FE head prior to going fuel injection. This would be my first step to correcting two design flaws with the motor.I am a machinist by trade. I have a Bridgeport and toolroom lathe. my plan is a 1” spacer between the exhaust manifold and the resevoir/ mixing elbow. I will post pics as I progress.