Medical costs!

roscoe

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Guess you should have gone to "Any private practice Dermatologist" then.

Not justifying what happened, just clarifying what you should have done.
Do you often sign contracts, not knowing what they will cost you? Of course not. So why would you do it with medical care?
You want a medical savings account system, being informed is the first step.
 

JRJ

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Boomyal, you got a deal. We pay $65.00 per burn against your paltry $45.80d:) I had to go to a plastic surgeon to have a skin cancer removed close to my eye. That one was $1,564.00 out the door:% I had two cut off my back yesterday but don't have the bill yet. Our insurance is only better than nothing. At least these MD's take Visa, so my Cabela's points are looking good.
 

Drowned Rat

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JB, all I mean is that you have to hold these doctors accoutable for their exorbatant prices. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of good doctors, and there are bad ones too. For $1600 an hour I expect a flawless procedure performed by an expert. I also expect that the Dr's office should help the pt. understand the insurance process and most will not do it. And it's not because they don't understand it, it's because it sounds unreasonable when they explain it and they'd rather not deal with it. And it sounds unreasonable because it is. I'm also in the medical field and I see so many medical errors almost daily performed by all manner of care givers. I can tell you, doctors, nurses and hospital administrators don't tell the pt. when a mistake has been made unless they can't easily hide it. I'm talking about serious errors that could have long term effects. Medicine is no different than any other profession. If a plumber charged $500 to fix a sink and then the sink started leaking, you'd be mad and want money back.
 

JB

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You make a persuasive argument, DR, but:

If your plumber had spent a quarter million borrowed dollars on his training, paid $1500 a month for insurance and only got paid by 60% of his customers he probably would charge $500 and hour.
 

i386

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Someone also has to pay for all the logo emblazened doodads and lunches provided by the drug reps (you know, the hot chicks with the big briefcases). Acrylic Lipitor clock anyone? Viagra LED flashlight? Fancy Fosamax ink pen? 8)
 

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i386 said:
Someone also has to pay for all the logo emblazened doodads and lunches provided by the drug reps (you know, the hot chicks with the big briefcases). Acrylic Lipitor clock anyone? Viagra LED flashlight? Fancy Fosamax ink pen? 8)

Don't forget the free product samples.
 

tommays

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I think any doctor in this area is getting away with 1500 a month on insurance :)

Many of the OBY and other high risk docs are in the 6 figure range :%



Tommays
 

Pony

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I agree 100% with Roscoe. You can't complain about the bill if you did absolutely no research ahead of time. Who knows, you may have saved money by have 2 seperate procedures done with half the "zaps"........

All I know is that everytime I need to go in, I know before hand exactly what my insurance is covering, what my copay is, and if I am going to have to pay a percentage of the bill later. No surprises.

Often my doctor is willing to help me out by marking my visit off as "Nurse Visit" so that I wont have to pay a copay. The visit is no different than any other.
 

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tommays said:
I think any doctor in this area is getting away with 1500 a month on insurance :)

Many of the OBY and other high risk docs are in the 6 figure range :%



Tommays

Imagine paying that while at the same time trying to pay off 100,000 + in college expenses......

 

tommays

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I allmost allways see the office NP to keep the cost down


Tommays
 

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I think a lot of the problem is people are too use to the insurance footing the bill and taking no responsibility themselves. I bet if the insurance paid the whole bill Boomyal wouldn’t even be having this conversation. It is only an issue when it comes out of your own pocket. Regardless of what he charged, he had a deductible and would have to pay it at some point regardless what doctor was seen. Most of the time it does not matter what a provider charges, the insurance is going to pay what they pay and that’s it. Most insurance companies chop doctor’s bills by 50%-70%. People have to keep in mind amount of money it costs to operate a clinic. Doctors have huge malpractice premiums, have a staff they have to pay, have supplies to pay for, insurance for the building, the staff, themselves, unemployment insurance, worker compensation insurance, utilities, rent or mortgage on the building, paperwork fees, student loans. Believe it or not, many insurance companies charge doctors to be on their plans. Some take a cut or percentage of what is reimbursed to the doctor and this is after they chop his fee down by 50%-70%.

Don’t blame the doctors, blame the insurance! You would be surprised at the amount of money they collect as opposed the amount they actually pay out. Look at the millions of dollars insurance CEO’s are taking home in pay, bonuses and incentives. I have a family of four; I was paying just under $1000 a month. I had a $30 copay and a $1000 deductible. When we would take one of the kids to the pediatrician he would charge $75 for an office visit, insurance chopped it to $45, and I paid $30 through my copay and the insurance paid $15. So the insurance pays $15 dollars and I am paying close to $1000 to them a month:^. Needless to say, we dumped them! Insurance companies are the crooks of the industry, not the doctors. Insurance companies have raised malpractice rates like clockwork every year despite the decline in malpractice claims. They keep charging more and more. It’s not the fault of the doctors or the attorneys, it’s the insurance! They continue to charge more and more, they keep raising premiums and they are reimbursing doctors less and less. Most all doctors make more money off the cash price than they do running the claim through the insurance. Legally, doctors who are on an insurance plan cannot charge a patient a cash price and skip the insurance altogether. They have a contract with the insurance and by doing so they are breaking the contract. Also, having an insurance price and a cash price is totally illegal. It is called a “dual fee schedule”. The way around it is to change the wording from “cash” to “time of service”. This is fine provided the patient pays that day. The insurance is also offered the discount so it’s fair, the thing is the insurance is not going to march down to the doctor’s office and pay the bill that day on any claim. That’s how you beat the system legally.
 

Boomyal

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Manipulator said:
....I think a lot of the problem is people are too use to the insurance footing the bill and taking no responsibility themselves. I bet if the insurance paid the whole bill Boomyal wouldn’t even be having this conversation....

Agreed Manipulator. We have all been lulled to sleep on this issue. It was only when Mrs Boomyal read me the items on the the insurance report that I came awake on this specific issue.

I will tell you all right now. If you walked into your medical provider and tried to bargain rates that were going to be paid by contractual arraingements with your insurance carrier, you are sadly mistaken.

You would get a take it or leave it response from them. The existance of the insurance companies have taken this tool out of our hands. The insurance companies do not care, they will just raise your rates. I doubt many of you would argue with this. We have seen the unarguable results of this time and time again.

$1600+ per hour medical charges for low tech applications is beyond the pale. Anyone who argues with this is delusional.
 
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