Maximum Hypocrisy!

plywoody

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When the jobs move to China, if they do, the same thing will happen to China--wages will increase, etc. And you simply do not hear of China being a threat to us any more. They are building their economy, and that is a good thing.<br /><br />Like I said, nothing is perfect, and the days of landing a good paying job out of high school with no special talent are probably over, but on balance this is a good thing. China will purchase American goods as well, and as the economies grow, it is a tide that will lift all boats, for the most part, and make us more secure, without firing a shot or risking American troups' lives.<br /><br />And I'm not sure of the theory that people will only buy cheap. The biggest sellers at auto dealers remain SUV's and full size pick-ups. It is the high end products that are moving, and not the cheap end products.<br /><br />Which of course reflects why the tax cut was aimed at the wrong population--why what worked in Reagan's time will not work under the current circumstances--<br /><br />Yes, the stock market is higher, and the economy may well go thru a short term growth cycle, especially with the continuing weakness of the dollar, but it is not a long term strategy that will work.
 

pjc

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so Ralph,<br />
When two goods of eualy quality are on the shelf, the expensive item produced in the USA loses and the cheap import wins. You can't ask individuals to do the job of the government - fair trade - fair labor. <br />
Based on the quote from your post, your position is that our government should manage the content of what we the consumer purchase? Ahh-????????<br /><br />I do believe that we the consumer have a choice.<br /><br /> I can assume then that you support trade sanctions, tariffs, bans, etc??????
 

Ralph 123

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No not at all. They should enforce immigration laws and fight for fair trade policies. You do that and the rest will take care of itself. I am for tarriffs when markets are not equally open and competitive. I am for tarriffs when nations unfairly fix their exchange rates to enjoy a competitive advantage.<br /><br />PW ask the swiss how conceeding the low end of the market worked out for them. It works for a while then CRASH and they go and pump billions into trying to figure out how to get back in the game. <br /><br />For every American buying an SUV you have many more buying junkers. It is the affect of the two tier class that is emerging. People at the top enjoy very high wages and cheap goods while those at the bottom claw for scraps.<br /><br />Like I said, I benefit greatly from "free" trade and unrestricted immigartion. But, for every one of me, there are 10 or more who suffer.<br /><br />The days of nations enjoying competitive advantages is lessening. Today, technology makes location almost irrelevant. There are few things that we can produce here that can't be produced elsewhere. Military technology is one of the few things we will not export which is why we still enjoy an advantge in that area. Farming is another because it is tied to the land.
 

pjc

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You know Ralph, I am so on board with your logic regarding this issue. How do we kick folks in the butt to get the current laws enforced fully.<br /><br />Am hoping that, in addition to the Bush administrations proposal, stricter enforcement of current law will be implemented. Write letters to our local pols--ahh yep, did that--<br /><br />btw, the packers lost due to a farve throw--dannmmmn!!!!!! <br /><br />Oh Yea--buy as much American as YOU can-----(edit)--if you can find any. Really, think about the issue. Most stuff from Harleys to Hoovers have a degree of foreign components in it. If you see an item exclusively made in the USA--buy that thing 'cause it may be collectible real soon!!!!
 

Ralph 123

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You answered your own question. Kick the pols. Bush said nothing about enforcement so your hope is just that, hope.<br /><br />Trust me, I was trained at the same place he was trained. I know how these people think. These people are so far removed form the average working man they have no clue. 90% were born with silver spoons and have no clue what the real America is like.<br /><br />I hope and pray that I am wrong. I don't think I am though. When you have a bubble like the 90s it hides what is really going on. the Y2K and Net drove a spending boom in this country and now its over. China is starting to emerge like we knew it would and now uncontrolled immigration threatens what is still here.... the future from where I sit looks bleak for the average man but very good for people like me.
 

pjc

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Ahhhhh-Ralph, by that are you implying that you have a silver spoon, and are immune to the economic "forces" that influence most common people???? <br />
Trust me, I was trained at the same place he was trained. I know how these people think. These people are so far removed form the average working man they have no clue. 90% were born with silver spoons and have no clue what the real America is like.<br /><br />
Me, I'm just a working stiff. Got a couple project boats though.
 

Ralph 123

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I bought my own spoon and earned my way in to the club. I am somewhat immune because I normally get a piece of the take so I benefit from these trends.
 

pjc

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Sure hope to have a beer or cocktail with you some day Ralph. Great discussion and debate. Most excellent my friend!!!!<br /><br />Gotta hit the rack, work tomorrow, lovely bride tonight.
 
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