mariner charging problem

wolfpack6700

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I have a 86 6 cyl 90 HP tower of power marniner engine when it,s running it charges on the high side like over 16 volts
would adding a second battery help to lower this is this ok for the battery or the motor ? Is this a serious issue i have replaced the rectifier the previous season and replaced the solenoid this year any ideas or fixes ?
 

sam am I

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Re: mariner charging problem

I'm not too familiar with these motors but looking at the manuals for these, they don't run voltage regulators? If this is your case, it uses the inherent cell voltage of the lead acid battery to "clamp" the voltage.

And yes, paralleling cells(adding a second battery) is basically paralleling the batteries internal inherent resistances which then in-turns lowers overall resistances(Resistance total of paralleled resistors Rt = 1/(1/R1+1/R2+1/R3....) which in-turn uses additional current(I = V/R) which in-turns lowers the supply voltage as the stator/mag is a current limited device obviously, so in the end, this helps to lower overall terminal voltage.

BUT first, how old is your current battery? Is this 16V at the battery post? if not, are all connection to the battery clean and good?

I think over time tho these un-regulated systems(although designed to have lower/limited current) tend to work batteries a tad bit harder and towards the end of life they are boiling batteries(16, 17, 18 volts). Basically, they break them down faster. Ya might just need/want to replace the batt. and be done.

http://www.boatingmag.com/blogs/diy/converting-your-outboards-unregulated-charging-system

Don't let this entire articular fool ya though, someone was getting a kickback by *omission. You can(i don't have your stators wiring but 99% certain) install a standard aftermarket merc rec/reg for $50 if ya care to and be good. Hook up the yellow wires of this where your current rec is hooked up(the stator wires), tie the two red wires together and to your battery[or use the male bullet of the two reds(the pic above has it done internally appears) as a remote sense wire], ground it and off to the races ya go. And ya have a tach output to boot....BONUS!!

http://www.amazon.com/Rectifier-Reg...bs_auto_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0VH5QJND8G305PVV3Y6H

*It is however eluded too...."retails for about $100 which is much less than purchasing an OEM voltage regulator from an outboard dealer and modifying it to work on a motor"

But happen to use a scary word ...."modify"? There is no modify!!, Just understanding.


If however you have a voltage regulator, nevermind....lol, then obviously, that's most likely shot.
 
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mostratos

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Re: mariner charging problem

hey i havent seen a over charge that high at most 14 1/2 maybe 15.. you can buy a voltage regulator.. i work in the automotive buisness... marine guys will hate me for saying this but it is what it is.. a vehicle alternator charges around 16 volts without load.. i.e battery once you put the battery in the circuit you add load making the alternator charge at 13 volts... the only time i ever found a over charge was when a battery was fried.. due to no resistance in the cells the alternator/rectifier would over charge... first step check your battery make sure your battery is not on its last leg.. if all else fails you a use a in line voltage reducer but my money is on the battery being interanally drained. hope this helps

Muhammad
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wolfpack6700

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Re: mariner charging problem

hey i havent seen a over charge that high at most 14 1/2 maybe 15.. you can buy a voltage regulator.. i work in the automotive buisness... marine guys will hate me for saying this but it is what it is.. a vehicle alternator charges around 16 volts without load.. i.e battery once you put the battery in the circuit you add load making the alternator charge at 13 volts... the only time i ever found a over charge was when a battery was fried.. due to no resistance in the cells the alternator/rectifier would over charge... first step check your battery make sure your battery is not on its last leg.. if all else fails you a use a in line voltage reducer but my money is on the battery being interanally drained. hope this helps

Muhammad
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It has a brand new battery installed also repalced the start solenoid i will look into a inline voltage reducer after researching a few threads It seems this is a common issue with older motors
 

wired247

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Re: mariner charging problem

It is normal with no regulator. You need to use a lead acid flooded cell battery but it is normal. Just don't look at the gauge or buy yourself a modern voltage regulator.
 

Chris1956

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Re: mariner charging problem

That motor has a 9A charging system maximum and that is at high RPM. Make sure all the battery cables are clean and bright and don't worry about it, as the battery should absorb the charge easily.
 

Chris1956

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Re: mariner charging problem

You can almply turn up the music. It will distract you and the radio will use up some of the excess juice...
 

sam am I

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Re: mariner charging problem

Lol @Chris.........Noooooooooo, don't encourage that!! How bout blower motors, bilge pumps, electric heaters, running lights and watching girls?

Good quiet wholesome fun!!
 
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emckelvy

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Re: mariner charging problem

Yup, typical "old-school" Mercury charging system action! The unregulated systems were designed in the 50's when they used selenium rectifiers; the later-stye rectifiers are much more efficient so they charge even better! And they really don't get along with "gel" or any other "advanced" type of battery.

Install a voltage regulator, turn up the radio, or leave the running lights on all the time for an extra load!

Here's a few decent deals for used Merc regulators on eBay:

Mercury Regulator Rectifier 150 200 HP V 6 | eBay

Mercury V6 135HP 200HP Voltage Regulator Part Number 854515 | eBay

Mercury Mariner 6 Wire Rectifier Regulator 815279 3 8152795 815279T 8 0001 | eBay

Here's a typical Merc rectifier/regulator assy available here at iBoats:

Voltage Regulator - Sierra

HTH..........ed
 

Chris1956

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Re: mariner charging problem

There is never a 15V Zener diode around when you need one..... I still say turning up the music is preferable to hearing him sing.....
 

mostratos

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Re: mariner charging problem

Hey you can use a inline resistor make sure it dosnt get hot
 
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