Marine Mechanic Difficulties

roscoe

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$125 an hour. Holy Crikies! I always thought the rule of thumb was half goes to the shop and half goes to salary. Do the math and that equals 130,000 per year before taxes salary for the mechanic. I'm not against anyone making money but $130,000 per year seems a little too good for a marine mechanic.


Most shop mechanics I know are making about 1/4 of the hourly rate,, between $14 and $30 per hour. Obviously. there are some areas of the country that are higher.
 

mommicked

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I had a small shop rebuild a carb on a 25 johnson.we did it first,soaked,blown out,new parts kit,etc.and it would not run more than 5-10 seconds.this motor sat for 5 yrs but had low hours.They took 4 weeks to fix it,quoted 2,and after getting it back it would not run right.I was upset and took it back assuming they would get right on it because they had NOT fixed it,though we paid the bill!Wrong,they evedently put it back in line w their other projects and we waited weeks again!I finally told the guy a friend had recomended him,but I wasn't impressed by his professionalism at all.They fixed it the next day.I understand he could not make alot of money on this,but he could have told us If he did not want to do the job, and we could have gone somewhere else.It was not summer and they were not very busy.the boatyard/shop had about 10 boats and some had obviously been there a long time.flat tires and dust on a few in the shop.I told the owner,who gave me attitude when I finally picked up the boat that I now tell all my friends to stay away from there.
 

scoutabout

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...Also helps that a buddy of mine dropped off his big boat project at his shop today. (Im a little bit of a ring leader in my circle)

I'd agree that might be making a difference. Hope it sticks. Too bad you couldn't have got your buddy to say, "See that boat on the back of my truck out there? Well - me and it will be back with a wad o dough as soon as you light a fire under my friend's engine swap..." :D

I commiserate with your marine mechanic experience. In 40 years of boating I'd say I'm being generous guessing my father and I combined have received when-promised service 20% of the time. Probably closer to 10 if you want to be picky and count only those jobs that were done correctly, of course...

I'm as flabergasted as you Fly, at the difference between the recreational toy industry and the rest of the world. Waking up and putting your pants on correctly certainly doesn't come anywhere close to cutting it at my day job.

Don't know where the Bubbas and Rodbolts are in my neck of the woods, cuz they sure don't advertise!

Knock on wood, things have looked up considerably on the latest Yamaha dealer I've found, (currently running 2 for 2 on deadlines and expectations) so maybe my luck is changing. Sure, it requires pulling the boat out of the lake and a 3 hour round trip tow -- but I'm at the point where I'd gladly do that trip driving backwards with the trailer to get some half decent service.

Good luck with that project and definitely post some pics!
 

H20Rat

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$125 an hour. Holy Crikies! I always thought the rule of thumb was half goes to the shop and half goes to salary. Do the math and that equals 130,000 per year before taxes salary for the mechanic. I'm not against anyone making money but $130,000 per year seems a little too good for a marine mechanic.

that is the shop rate for boat dealers around here also... I personally know a couple of the mechanics, and they don't earn anywhere CLOSE to 130k. Maybe 50/50 split, after all the shop expenses are taken off the top.
 

sschefer

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that is the shop rate for boat dealers around here also... I personally know a couple of the mechanics, and they don't earn anywhere CLOSE to 130k. Maybe 50/50 split, after all the shop expenses are taken off the top.

Unless you've actually run a business it's difficult to see where all the money goes. Once you have you'll wonder how many of these places manage to stay in business. In my immediate area, we've lost every boat dealer and all but one or two small time mechanics. We had 5 dealers 3 years ago.
 

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I just asked a good friend about a "transplant" for a motor with all the parts on his desk will take 1 day .. out and in with the new plant..as long as things go smoothly with the Owner parts.

Its not about your specific order. If it was the Techs that run the show then things will run smoother. . .. Its all about the guys that get the phone calls..and schedule. Most times your not talking with the Techs ! Your talking to someone that is getting more $ then techs just to shove jobs down ( without regard to actually Ordering the parts when the job came in..just give the tech a WO without parts and then say " this guy wants it on X date" where the tech is being loaded up on the other jobs that take time to diagnose and search through the books and part numbers that the Manager Does NOT do ! ).

Rant Over ..

Remember...its not the Place you get your service work..its the Techs !! There are some Good Techs without Good management .. or MicroManagement that Completely Screws the Techs to make the $'s work out..

Talk to the Tech if you want the best info..NOT the Counter Manager !..

YD.
 

sschefer

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YD, good rant and I side with you to a point. Problem is with the dwindling number of dealers and dealers being mandated by manufactures as far as labor is concerned you really need a project manager somewhere in the loop. Problem is that a lot of the dealers take it upon themselves to fill this role. A lot of them don't have the experience needed and you end up with situation like this.

Things like dealer incentives cloud the situation too. If you have ten warranty repairs behind a customer provided engine replacement, those warranty repairs are going to get moved to the front of the line. A dealer is not going to jeopordize his guaranteed bread and butter for an occasional ham sandwich.
 

v_fourmax

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Honestly I would say that in a way you are fortunate to find any shop with a decent reputation that would even touch that job. I know that if I were the shop owner if for some reason I decided to accept that job before I would even test fire the engine after installation then you the owner would need to be standing there on site in case of any internal problems with the engine caused a near immediate failure to witness such problems if they did exist.

I know it is a sense of satisfaction to do the building yourself, I have built a ton of performance motors over the years but the main drawback is that if it comes apart the first time on the water there is no warranty and no one to turn to except your reflection in the mirror.

If I recall correctly that you had dealt with Summit and Jegs and bought a "383" short block and I hope that the shortblock you bought has been correctly balanced by someone that knows how to balance the crank, rods and pistons. Also to really truly balance the engine the person also needs the harmonic balancer and flywheel that will be used on the engine to really get everything right and balance it all together as one unit. A Marine engine spends much of its life operating at sustained high rpm levels and balancing becomes a critical componant to keep the engine from beating itself to an early death. A car engine can get away with a lot more leeway in this area as its normal operation is usually at a much lower levels and high rpms are usually only for a short burst at a time.

Another thing that I wondered about as far as your post was concerned was that you stated the shop quoted you 8 hours to do the job. I did not see where you had posted that the shop gave you a particuliar time frame on actually starting and completing the work. I know that any marine or even motorycle based repair shop that are worth going to in my area are all extremely backed up this time of the year and a 3-4 week lead time from the time the boat is dropped off for repair until the work actally starts could easily be realistic.

Also in the 8-9 days from when you initially talked to the shop until you actually dropped the boat off for repair the shops service load could have very realistically gotten them snowed under and all shops that I am aware of do not put your vehicle in line until it actually arrives and gets dropped off. Plenty of people get an estimate and promise to drop something off for the work and you never see them again so the only way it can really be done is get in line when the unit arrives.

Good luck on your quest, I hope everything works out for you.
 

Dick Sorensen

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Dude, Shock Wave Marine in Pataskla....it's the only way to go! Gary or Kelly....pros.
 

Flysfloatsor

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****: Are you talking about Kelly Thomas? With the landscaping business too? Hes a cool guy. Bought a Nice Mirage Plus from him over the winter. He offerd to do the swap, but he never said they actually had a business. I thought he was more of a "Shade tree" mechanic.
I will definitely will use him for other stuff. I also assumed he would be busy with the landscaping this spring.

fourmax: I cant tell if the "in a way, I should consider myself fortunate" was thrown in there to grate at my nerves, or was a joke? The whole thread is about service providers, providing service. Not the customer having to crawl in on their knees begging for someone to please take their money.

He told me when I dropped it off it would be compleated in a week. And he actually had less work waiting than when he gave the quote.

As for the engine:
010 block 4 bolt main, Balanced etc. brass plugs, felpro marine head gaskets. Dished pistons with 64cc vortec heads to keep the compression ration pump gas friendly. (I actually stole the parts recipe from a guy on a checkmate forum) Its done right, for a marine specific application. But no, it doesent have Mercurisers magic fairy dust sprinkled on it, and wasnt assembled in by wizards in a far away top secret plant where boat engins are made. (I'll leave itup to you to figure out if Im joking)
 

sschefer

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LOL, O.K. so we know it's not a GM Marine motor with Merc decals or a Kodiak. Nice Recipie, should be a torquey (sp) little motor.
 

Flysfloatsor

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Update:

The 305 is out. Now we will see how long it take to get the 383 in and running.
 

v_fourmax

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fourmax: I cant tell if the "in a way, I should consider myself fortunate" was thrown in there to grate at my nerves, or was a joke? The whole thread is about service providers, providing service. Not the customer having to crawl in on their knees begging for someone to please take their money.

He told me when I dropped it off it would be compleated in a week. And he actually had less work waiting than when he gave the quote.

As for the engine:
010 block 4 bolt main, Balanced etc. brass plugs, felpro marine head gaskets. Dished pistons with 64cc vortec heads to keep the compression ration pump gas friendly. (I actually stole the parts recipe from a guy on a checkmate forum) Its done right, for a marine specific application. But no, it doesent have Mercurisers magic fairy dust sprinkled on it, and wasnt assembled in by wizards in a far away top secret plant where boat engins are made. (I'll leave itup to you to figure out if Im joking)

Actually what I said about the shop accepting the job initially was meant to neither try to grate on your nerves nor as a joke. Most of the reputable shops in this area unless they knew the customer pretty well would tend to decline putting in an engine that either they did not supply or build or that did not come from a reputable builder that they felt comfortable with.

That is not a dig or in any way questions your abilities to put your motor together but from a shops perspective not knowing you or whoever assembled the engine they have no way to know exactly what they are installing and if the engine were to fail to start or develop mechanical problems upon initial startup then sometimes getting paid for the job they performed gets to be difficult or turns into getting involved into a lot more than they may want or have adequate time to do.

I know many years ago when I worked as a mechanic many times customers wanted to "supply their own parts" trying to save a few dollars by buying from the discount part houses or direct from salvage yards. At one time we would accomodate them but we made sure they understood that we warrantied our work but if the part they supplied was defective and we had to switch out say an alternator or transmission, engine whatever because the unit they supplied was defective that they were responsible to pay the labor for needing to switch out the part again because of the defect.

We finally quit that practice as customers would get upset when the salvage yard or discount auto parts unit was defective and would actually end up costing them more than if we supplied the part originally. Parts we sourced and supplied from our sources were also warrantied to the customer as well as the labor for the initial quoted price. So when I say that you were fortunate to find a shop that would install it was that most reputable shops tend to shy away from installing parts they do not supply because of such occurances and the customers becoming dissatisfied by problems out of the shops control.

Dang! No fairy dust or Wizards assembling in the deepest reaches of the Dungeon? May be sorry you did not spring the extra bucks for the fairy dust, worth about 50 hp you know!

Sounds like you did your research and I hope everything works well and trouble free for ya. I have just seen guys that used " performance car engines" in marine applications and the longevity of the engines was shorter than the money they had spent or invested to say the least. Usually the culprit was the combination of sustained high rpms and balance of the engine not being not being close enough or valvetrain failures.

Just out of curosity did you stroke a 350 block or destroke a 400 block to get the "383"?

Not trying to sound like a smart a** in my original post just do not want you to spend a ton of money that goes boom on you. As far as the shop comments just trying to point out that sometimes shops get busy and with your situation you are lucky to find a good shop that will work with you to intall your engine for you. Good luck on all going well and smooth.
 
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