Manatee, Worth Saving?

trollhole

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I read an earlier post about someone not liking the "Save the Manatee Club" and was just wondering what y'all thought about these animals? Are they worth saving? I mean the way I look at it they were probably here before we were and back in the day even when we were here we probably didn't bother them much. But since the advent of the propeller in the 1900s we have been making Chop Suey out of them to the point at which there aren't very many of them around. I personally think that we shouldn't boat in those areas unless we don't have a propeller (jet drive) and even maybe then that isn't enough.<br />It's kind of like a lot of state parks around in my area who don't let people ride four-wheelers on the trail because the are afraid they might cause serious damage to the trails and eco system. But should we let them drive on the trails if the go lets say 5mph max through certain areas. I think not cause you know some numbnut is going to break the law and mess up the place for everyone.<br />So back to the poor old dumb manatees. Should we let people run thier prop boats through their areas at lets say 5mph. I think not cause you know some numbnut is going to break the law and mess up the place for everyone! Which everyone = the poor old dumb Manatees. I'm for saving God's creatures and not running them over.<br /> But I will say I have shot a few cats in my life with a bee bee gun just for the fun of it.He He He. :D :D
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Re: Manatee, Worth Saving?

trollhole, I think I read somewhere, that the places where this creatures habitat now are getting to be pretty much off limits to boats. Like I said, I'm not sure, but I thought I read that somewhere.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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oh yea P.S.<br />I have had my feel with wildlife while fishing anywho.<br />Me and a buddy went to Lake Seminole in Florida, and we went after a gator with a spinner bait and caught the sucker, and he looked at me and said<br />"Well, what ya going to do with him now?"<br />I just said, "Yeahaw" :D
 

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View from a conservative. I don't know how the left has hijacked this issue. You make a great analogy with the offroad vehicles. We saw in the 70's that offroaders would have torn up everything. Like this board, complete freedom results in destruction. I think we should save as much of this world as we can. Unrestrained, we humans can and will populate and exploit this earth till it looks like new york city. We've got to work around these creatures. It's the least we can do and our responsibility as stewards. BTW, I'm not going to debate this one, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Frankly, I think most fishermen/hunters love and respect the outdoors and think similarly. Troll, you could have titled this post "Manatees n Guns", or "Manatees n Hunters".(we'll never let you live down the boatsNguns thread) ;)
 

Scoop

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I know the issue is more complex than just setting aside some areas. From what a friend said they have set aside areas where no manatees have been seen in more than 50 years. I am all for not destroying species, but the whole story needs to be looked at and rational decision needs to be made. <br /><br />This goes for logging too. Should we protect any piece of forest from logging? I think we should protect at least some virgin or semi-virgin timber. I have heard the argument that this mean people will lose their jobs. Ok, what happens when you cut down that last stand? Where is your job then?<br /><br />Same goes for commercial fishing. If you don't modify limits to keep a sustainable healthy population, then you will be out a job permanently when the fish are gone for good.
 

snapperbait

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YES! Manatees are worth saving, however certain groups seem to want to take things way to far...<br /><br />I love them big ugly critters... :) <br /><br />Here's a link to a bunch of info about the concerns of the manatees and boaters... please read this.. <br /><br />Thank you...
 

NOSLEEP

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We dont have any Manatees in these parts, so I <br />dont really have much of an educated opinion.<br />However any animal that is in peril from lost<br />habitat to over harvest should be protected from<br />mans lack of fortsite. These animals have been in <br />the news for a long time as endangered species.<br />If we cant make room for them, or protect them.<br />Then we have learned very little from the past<br />losses.
 

mattttt25

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agree with all the previous posts. those who truly love boating, fishing, and wildlife are usually the ones willing to give a little to protect the environment and it's creatures. you can talk about manatees, running your old 2-stroke, whatever... if you really care about the big picture then you should be willing to change your ways. i'm sorry for the fellas that bought that waterfront property in florida with hopes to jump in their boats and tear away from the pier, but sorry. if it bothers you so much, move north and deal with the crab traps.
 

brent suzkui wyble j16

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trollhole i think they are a pain in the a**, believe me if you break the law you will get ticket around the $60.00 mark.
 

12Footer

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Re: Manatee, Worth Saving?

Trollhole, thank you so much for starting this thread.I've been just dying to opine about the seacow problem. I'll start by stating the entire issue from as non-biased a description of the contraversy as is possable, and in a seperate post, tell you how I feel about it all...And trust me, I feel.<br /><br />Down here in Florida, we have many growing pains.One of them is the West Indian Manatee and it's "natural" habitat being developed by us human types. Those humans that live on the water usually have boats.Seacows only travel about 5MPH at WOT, not being able to get away from boats.<br />It is a real danger for both the seacow and the boater,his passengers, and of course, his equipment.<br /><br />The species is not indigenous, and those we have here, are living on the northern edge of thier present range.<br />They are a slow-moving, gentle, warm-blooded creature with not much brain power. They are vegitarian, with no natural ememies,other than sharks, and the cold water in winter.<br />Mnatees and "dogong" are related,bt notte exat ae, (like Mountain lions and Florida panthers).<br /><br />The debate is raging down here, between boaters groups (boaters,skiers,fishermen, and the industries they support), and the Save the Manatee Club, with the state of florida,and federal Fish and wildlife Commissions in the middle of what has become a heated battle.<br />Let me state here I don't know of anyone on any side of this debate that is against protection of the West Indies Manatee. <br />But some of those groups involved are 'ate-up' and only see thier cause, be it boater's group, or SMC, thus, losing site of the big picture, which, of course, is the protection of the seacow.<br />In 1999, the SMC sued the FFWC over "lack of protection implimentation for an endangered species", and won.<br />Last year, the state's FWC did an airial cencus,and reported 3000 anatees in state waters.<br />This was way up from previous counts, and a move was started to have the manatee's protection status relaxed from "endangered" to "protected".<br />The 2003 census was done three weeks ago, and an error in the count led the way for a recount....I can hear the laughter allready...Typical of Florida, I know.<br />But seriously, the count had to be redone.The official count this year is 3100, a slight increase.<br />While all this silliness is taking place, the FWC has added many idle zones, and have threatened even more. The SMC also has gotten the FWC to cease and desist as pretains to dock permits, claiming "the docks are for boats---the more boats, the more boat-related manatee deaths".<br /><br />The boater's groups finally woke up to this when those that could afford waterfront property found out they could have a home right on the river....They just couldn't have a dock--Claims made by these folks are, "A dock has never killed a manatee".<br />Boaters and marina owners found out they had to idle everywhere, making it impractical to travel via boat. They made posters like, "Manatees are not endangered,.Your boating and property rights are", and "Save the Humans".<br /><br />Like I said, the battle lines have been drawn. And it will never end ,because nobody is blinking anymore!
 

mellowyellow

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try passing a law in NY that limits cars to 20mph<br />so nobody ever hits a deer. same deal. <br />(yeah, I know deer ain't "endangered")<br />I am all for bio-diversity, but where do you draw<br />the line? collect the sea cows and put them in<br />1 or more reserves. the smart ones will stay in <br />protected waters and the stupid ones will have to<br />deal with human intervention.<br />politicians just love causes that don't effect a<br />majority of voters. they can say they are "doing<br />something". a good way to NOT deal with any of the<br />"controversial" issues that really make a difference<br />in the real world.
 

12Footer

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Ok,here is where 12Footer stands on this issue.<br />I am for continued protection of the species.<br />I am against thier continued "endangered" status,as numbers are on a consistant rise.<br />.<br />I am for some "idle", some "no-entry", and some "slow Speed" zones in order to protect them.<br /><br />I am totally against zero dock permitting.<br /><br />My reasons are as follows;<br />The West Indies Manatee is here because it ,or it's parents traveled here (just like 12Footer's grandparents did, and Just like tourists).<br />And just like tourists, it can't handle the climate year-round, choosing to "migrate". Tourists are much smarter than seacows. They know how miserable they are in Florida's summer heat,hop in the car, and head back north. The seacow is too dumb to realize it is cold until some are into hypothernmia. This is the number one cause of manatee deaths statewide.<br /> Now that ,while not too briliant, is just the way the beast is.<br /><br />Now, let's say boaters' groups fought dirty, and went out and ran-down every manatee in Florida's waters, until there were none left...All of them.<br /><br />Would they then be declared "extinct"? As much as SMC would love to be able to declare that, they can't because the West Indies is teeming with the critters.<br /><br />I am not that opposed to idle or slow speed zones to protect them. As a matter of fact, I rather enjoy the slow,relaxing pace it provides, as well as new areas to fish,close to the actual channel,where nobody was able to fish due to boat wakes.<br />But the freedom to set my own pace underway is important to me. It's just one more form of governmental encroachment into my daily life, tht I rail against.<br />I also see them posting areas where the seacow never travels, while ignoring more traveled areas!<br /><br />It's like being taxed an extra 10% for less services in my humble opinion.<br /><br />I just want to be left allone when I go to be left alone. I want to be one with nature,without having naturalists dictate which species I can include.<br /><br />Why can't these otherwise briliant people, care for the species they claim to protect, and then get the heck outta my life? <br />Just because they have succeded, doesn't give them the right to continue to interfere with nature, just so they can continue to receive government grants and hold seats of preceived power!!<br /><br />Well, I told ya, I had an opinion.
 

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Jimmy Buffett has some good songs out there, but he is trying to save that manatee. I don't think its worth saving because what does it do?<br /><br />It gets hit by props and beached in low tides and all that stuff, so really, no I don't think so. However, I do believe that the signs do work that say "manatee zone" or whatever. And not to go at a dangerous speed. I don't live in Florida, and therefore I am unfamiliar with the laws there for boating and manatees, but I can tell you this: I do not believe that it is worth saving.<br /><br />JAZZ ;)
 

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JAZZ, I think you'd change your mind if a mother manatee and her calf ever came up to your boat, took a sniff of your boat, and looked up at you with there big dumb face and looked you in the eye as if to just say, Hello... ;)
 

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Do they serve a purpose? What? Millions of animals went extinct before we got here. Do we make a big deal about that? While I do support conservation, I am not a tree huggin dirt lover. I think that if people are so concerned about them put them in a zoo.
 

12Footer

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They serve no service to man, but are very tasty,acording to Seminole Indians,they taste like ham.<br />However I don't believe even the Seminoles eat them anymore. It's a respect thing,as all life is worth preserving.<br />And the awe on my grandbuddy's face, as we killed the engine,and floated thru a pod,bumping the boat. They are huge! They are so dumb! It really is no small wonder they were declining in number till the 80's.<br />There's nothing wrong with coexistance. But some here would have all boats burned, and those who would use them, banished to the West Indies.
 

snapperbait

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Here's just some of the fishing spots that I frequently fish, that the SMC wants to prohibit me from entering...<br /><br />Palm Beach Earman River/C-17 Canal/N. Palm Beach Waterway Lake Worth Creek Motorboat prohibited <br />Palm Beach Munyon Island and Little Munyon Island Lake Worth Motorboat prohibited <br />Palm Beach Boynton Canal (C-16) ICW Motorboat prohibited <br />Palm Beach C-15 Canal ICW Motorboat prohibited <br />Palm Beach Hillsboro Canal (C-14 canal) ICW Motorboat prohibited<br /> Indian River Vero Beach Power Plant Indian River No entry <br />St. Lucie Little and Big Mud Creeks Indian River Motorboat prohibited <br />St. Lucie Taylor Creek Indian River Motorboat prohibited <br />St. Lucie C-24 Canal North Fork St. Lucie River Motorboat prohibited <br />Martin Manatee Pocket St. Lucie River Motorboat prohibited <br /><br />nuff' said... :mad:
 

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For what it's worth, it's the rate of extinction that counts. Glad I kept my pronouncements general. Ya'll have a problem down there. Sounds like manatees have rebounded since the 80's. Hope a compromise of some sort can be struck. Environmentalists need to work with fishermen. The fisherman's interest in the waterway is a powerful preserving interest in the same way that ducks unlimited preserves wetlands. Once fishermen are run off, that lobby with its similar interests will have been lost to them.
 

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Here it is. <br /><br />
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