MAG 350 loses power after 20 minutes, need help

alldodge

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He is the OP
Bummer, my apologies, had not had my coffee is my only lame excuse

To your questions,
Your only getting 4K RPM's at WOT so you need to reduce pitch not increase it

With the pre-vortex 350 I see you getting the best right where your at. The carb is bigger then the motor needs but if setup right will do fine.
 

Scott Danforth

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the fastest we've had it was 53mph @ 4,000rpm......If I can get it to run 50MPH at 3,500rpm I'd be very happy...... it had a 7.4 / Bravo combo and the guy said his would run 70MPH but he said it handled very sketchy over 65 and I'll take his word.
Your minor changes to the SBC won't get you to 50MPH while only turning 3500 RPM unless it's in a truck pulling the boat on a trailer

Based on only turning 4000 RPM at WOT in past, you're lugging the motor. Lugging a motor kills them. Prop the boat so the motor turns 4800-5100 RPM at WOT

Only way to be turning 3500 RPM while cruising at 50 would be if you built a stroked SBC that would do 70 at WOT while turning 5200.
 

onetong8r

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Your minor changes to the SBC won't get you to 50MPH while only turning 3500 RPM unless it's in a truck pulling the boat on a trailer

Based on only turning 4000 RPM at WOT in past, you're lugging the motor. Lugging a motor kills them. Prop the boat so the motor turns 4800-5100 RPM at WOT

Only way to be turning 3500 RPM while cruising at 50 would be if you built a stroked SBC that would do 70 at WOT while turning 5200.

Yeah as I said the 53 @ 4,000 rpm was not wide open. It jumped up to 4,000 and wanted to keep going but I'm still working out a lot of bugs including not 100% sure the timing is spot on so that's as fast as I pushed it that day. I may take her out today and see what it does.
 

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So mine is a 1994 Scarab 22 with a MAG 350 / Alpha 1 gen 2 drive with a Mirage 21 3-blade prop. The previous owner had the engine rebuilt and added a marine grind Erson roller camshaft, Edelbrock marine RPM intake, AFB 750 cfm carburetor, and IMCO powerflow exhaust, thru-hull. It was super loud and my wife thought it was obnoxious idling thru the no-wake zone by our house so I bought 4" elbows and a strauight piece of 304SS and made turn-downs to put the tips under the water at idle. I've been chasing a few issues with the boat since I recently bought it so the fastest we've had it was 53mph @ 4,000rpm and it felt like it wanted to keep going. I still not 100% that I have the timing right so I haven't pushed it to the limit yet. I think the engine made 250-260HP stock so maybe it makes 300HP with the mods? The PO said it needs a bigger prop so I may try a Mirage Plus 23 and see how it does. If I can get it to run 50MPH at 3,500rpm I'd be very happy. We ride on the St. Mary's River 99% of the time and that's plenty fast for me. I looked at another identical make and year when I bought this one and it was pretty beat down but it had a 7.4 / Bravo combo and the guy said his would run 70MPH but he said it handled very sketchy over 65 and I'll take his word. I haven't had it in the ocean yet but it rides really nice. I guess you could sleep two people under the front if you needed to but it would be tight. I've only seen them from 1994 thru 2005 but they may have made them earlier. I've been a Ski Nautique guy forever so this is my first Scarab. I really wanted something we could cruise ~20 miles down the river in to eat or hit a sand bar over at the ocean (by Fernandina) and I think it will be good for that. :)
She looks a stunner ! You think you are maybe over propped already ? Sounds like you have a 1.47/1.5 ratio and need a 19” prop perhaps?
That speed is quite comparable to the 21 excel here. With the 7.4. He will run about mid 50’s gps.
 

onetong8r

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So I just took it out and it ran great :) This is what she did using my handheld GPS:
42mph @ 3500 rpm
47mph @ 4000 rpm
52mph @ 4500 rpm
58mph @ 5100 rpm
It may have had another mph or two in it but I didn't have enough space to mess with the trim very much. No stumbles or acting up. It idled great after I made a couple of passes. Engine water temps stayed right at 140 and the exhaust wasn't too hot when got done. I am very happy. I really appreciate all the input. You guys are awesome.
 

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Thanks guys! I assume the anti-siphon valve is installed on the tank at the pick-up tube? I'll pull the pickup tube like Grub recommended and verify the screen (if installed) is clean. Is there any way to check the anti-siphon valve other than visual and sucking on it like a check valve? I think I have a fuel pressure gauge from old project that I can plumb into place. A drawback of this boat is I can't run at speed with the engine hatch part of the way up (gas struts) so I may use some ratchet straps to hold it open enough to watch the gauge and take a spin. Thanks for the thoughts!
remove anti-syphon and test. If still problem, re-attach and look elsewhere.
 
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