Low oil pressure warning light in a car

bruceb58

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I am positive it works as of the end of June, b/c when I change the oil, I run it with the oil plug out until the lamp illuminates in order to flush the last of the oil out of the lines/filter. It does take a second to come on, though.
You have to be kidding!

This is another reason your engine could have failed. You NEVER do this! Whoever told you to do this should be shot!
 

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You have to be kidding!

This is another reason your engine could have failed. You NEVER do this! Whoever told you to do this should be shot!

I agree with bruceb58, you should never, never run the motor till the oil light comes on.....ALL the bearings etc. are running without lubrication when you do this, and will defiantly void any warranty.:facepalm:
 

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Mechanic is checking to see if the lamp works. I'm pretty sure it does right now. I am positive it works as of the end of June, b/c when I change the oil, I run it with the oil plug out until the lamp illuminates in order to flush the last of the oil out of the lines/filter. It does take a second to come on, though.

And we have the answer!!!!
Do you do this to all of your cars? How many other motors have you lost? The lubricity of used oil is much higher than the lubricity of NO oil.:eek:

Don't tell the dealer that you have done this, or you will definitely be paying for it yourself.
 

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No oil for a few seconds once or twice shouldn't be a big deal, especially with synthetics. Most all motors start with no oil pressure for a second or two. But running it to the point of evacuating the hoses, tensioners, filter etc sounds suicidal. Apparently you've made a habit of doing this. I'd sure as hell keep quiet about it.
 

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And we have the answer!!!!
Do you do this to all of your cars? How many other motors have you lost? The lubricity of used oil is much higher than the lubricity of NO oil.:eek:

Don't tell the dealer that you have done this, or you will definitely be paying for it yourself.

Uh, wow, yeah, I agree that does sound unwise.

If I were the OP, I would ask a mod to completely delete this thread, before Mazda Motors sees it. :eek:
 

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When I grew up we were taught to check the oil level at ever single gas fill up, it is simple to do, of course when I grew up, guys in little ice cream suits came out, filled your car with gas and checked the oil for you..but I am not liking the sounds of this one, me thinks someone may be on the hook here and being reeled in...IMHO

The one thing that people are forgetting on this issue, is a warranty, covers mechanical flaws in workmanship, based on what the OP has posted, there does not seem to be a flaw in the workmanship of the engine, but somewhere, no matter who's fault it is, it seems as if there has been a human error, not a flaw in the workmanship of the engine...It does not sound like Mazda manufactured a flawed engine, it sounds like someone screwed up somewhere, so going after Mazda seems to be a dead end..

Just because your engine blew up, does not mean it has a mechanical defect, it sounds like you might want to pursue the dealership, but I don't see where Mazda is at fault, you are one against millions of these vehicles in service..
 

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I am positive it works as of the end of June, b/c when I change the oil, I run it with the oil plug out until the lamp illuminates in order to flush the last of the oil out of the lines/filter. It does take a second to come on, though.

I am completely speechless...
I actually felt bad for the OP...right up until I read this. You, sir, deserve a blown engine. Sorry, but it's true. Call me crazy, but I actually get very saddened when people abuse machines like this. I watched a couple of videos of purposeful engine sabotage after the "Cash For Clunkers" garbage. and it broke my heart. This is much the same. Run your engine without oil till it begs you to stop? What if your doctor ran all of your blood out until your heart almost stops? I know...extreme...but still. This is just ridiculous. I hope you enjoy your new engine...and learn how to properly care for it.
 

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Originally Posted by eavega View Post
I am positive it works as of the end of June, b/c when I change the oil, I run it with the oil plug out until the lamp illuminates in order to flush the last of the oil out of the lines/filter. It does take a second to come on, though.

You did what???????????????

:eek:

I am not sorry to say, I will always fight for the little guy, but I cannot have sympathy for you...you NEVER run your engine at all if you KNOW for a fact it has no oil in it!!!! What were you thinking?

:facepalm:

You do realize, that if the pump pick up can't get to the oil, you are not going to be able to pump anything out of the engine?
 

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After rereading the OPs several posts in this thread, he asked a very reasonable question and got a pile of abusive and non-constructive comments back.
There is nothing that he wrote that justified the smart-a**ed response that I ( or a bunch of others who also piled on) added.
I have removed mine.

My apologies to Eric. :redface:
 
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642mx

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Its official... I've now heard it all. :facepalm:
 

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And we have the answer!!!!
Do you do this to all of your cars? How many other motors have you lost? The lubricity of used oil is much higher than the lubricity of NO oil.:eek:

Don't tell the dealer that you have done this, or you will definitely be paying for it yourself.

Lets see, the last motor I did that to was my 1993 Ford Ranger XLT, which I sold in 2006 with 450000 (that's right, almost half a million) miles on it.

that's the way my daddy showed me how to do it many years ago. It has NEVER failed me. I have never once damaged a vehicle. For that matter, neither did my dad who until about 5 years ago had been doing his own oil changes since he owned his first vehicle. Somehow that seems more than just lucky. Since the last oil change on the Mazda was at the tail end of June, I don't believe the engine had sustained any damage over the previous 4 years I had been doing this, or for that matter the 5 years I have been doing it with my other vehicle, or the 13 years I did it with my Ranger. Not to get defensive here, but no, you don't have the answer. What you have is a disagreement. As always and in any topic I raise or contribute to, I am willing to learn. If I have been doing it wrong to the detriment of my vehicles, I am not beyond changing how I do things. However, given that in 6 or 7 vehicles I have owned I've never experienced a problem, I think the lack of any problem over about 50 years of owning vehicles between my dad and myself may have led me to have concluded that the way I was doing things was just fine. In any case, my original question seems to be answered, as my mechanic did confirmed to me that a vehicle could indeed be running very low on oil and not have the oil pressure light illuminate. Thanks again for the input.

Rgds
 

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I am even more amazed now!

By the way, you basically got away with walking a tightrope for years. When you finally got a close tolerance engine that wouldn't tolerate what you did to it, it failed. That's the bottom line.

Don't tell Mazda what you did.
 

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Ok here's a great reason to change the way you do this...as you are running he engine dry of essential lubrication, waiting for the "idiot light" (yes...that is what mechanics call them) to come on and tell you that you need to shut the engine down NOW...you realize it is taking a bit longer than normal for this to happen. You start to hear a slight ticking noise, which very quickly turns to a loud tapping, and than a knock before you can get to the switch to kill the engine(pun). It is then you realize the "idiot light" bulb has burned out. "but I checked the bulbs when I turned on the ignition" you say...ok, then you realize the sending unit for that bulb has gone bad. And you, sir, have just significantly shortened the longevity of that engine. Maybe it won't sieze right then, but you DID just score the rod and main bearings. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I dont care if you were using full synthetic, Lucas treatment, PTFE, or rat **** as an additive. You just did damage to that engine for no reason other than your own negligence. As far as you saying that your dad did it for years.....what was your dad working on? A very close tolerance micro-engineered aluminum four cylinder? Not likely. Older engines...especially domestic ones...have very loose tolerances (comparitively). Therefore they tend to have a little residual oil in the spaces created by those loose tolerances, and can take a little more abuse with less (not none, but less) damage. I bet those engines of your dad's made a little noise on cold morning start ups too. Maybe a little "octane knock" when put under hard load. Maybe puffed a tad of blue smoke here and there. What you were was exceedingly LUCKY all those times, and it finally caught up with you. I am sorry, but I have a hard time believing your half-million mile ranger. That would have to be some sort of record. Especially if it was an aluminum headed engine. The cast iron 2.3L four banger...maybe, but not likely. Not without issues. Now, all that being said, you CAN pump the oil out of an engine relatively safely by disabling the ignition, and bumping the starter a few times (without allowing it to start and run, since the ignition is disabled). But the small amount of oil captured this way is so insignificant that it is not worth the effort.
Why would you want to pump the oil out of the filter anyway? If the filter is open side up, it will all stay in there and can come out with the filter. If the filter is in any other tilted direction, all or most of the oil is going to be drained already. One more note. 75% of damage to engines is done on start up. The top of the engine has little or no oil in it after sitting even for just a few minutes. When you run it and pump the residual oil out, you are simply increasing the amount of time it takes for that new oil to get all the way trough the system, and up to your top end. That is what most of the additives on the market are for...to leave a film on the top end (valve stems, cam, cam bearings, rockers, lifters, shims, lash adjusters, cam followers, or whatever the engine has) so that at start up there is some protection. Even if you had an additive in there, you just pumped it out. Anyway, nuff said. Live n learn...hopefully.

@bruceb58...Didnt mean to reiterate exactly what you just said...I typed this up, had to leave the computer for a bit, came back, hit send, then read your post! Great minds and all that! ;)
 

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Just when you think you've heard everything...
 

bruceb58

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@bruceb58...Didnt mean to reiterate exactly what you just said...I typed this up, had to leave the computer for a bit, came back, hit send, then read your post! Great minds and all that! ;)
Only I was able to say it around 1/20th the number of words.
 

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I have to say, after 50 plus years of life, I am sitting here shaking my head....this is a pretty amazing thread..

Hey Bruce, how did those Kitchen lights come out? Just curious?
 

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They got these places like quik lube.. Maybe you should use em.. Do what most people trying to win in court do... Lie your butt off.. I have dealt with a lot of warranty.. This use to be my favorite.. I would get a fresh blown engine with brand new oil in it.. They added oil after they ran it out or almost out.Cute huh?. Had one get warrantied.. You fight hard enough someone will listen.. The dealer doesn't really get to make those decisions anyhow.. They get to fight ya a bit, but the big dogs will send someone down to look at it.. He says yay or nay

BTW make a habit outta checking your oil every-time you fill up..
 

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Now I've heard it all. :facepalm:

I've torn down many engines that "blew up for no reason". It's pretty obvious as all the rockers, bearings, piston skirts, etc will be badly scored. The one broken rod is just the one that went critical on clearance first.

When I change oil, I pre-fill the new filter as much as possible, dictated by mounting angle, just to limit the no-pressure time on start up.
 
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