lossing Hub Protectors? Help!

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I keep loseing hup bearing protectors. Last year at the end of the season I had a trailer repair shop repack my hubs (40 yrs in business). On the way home (90 miles) I lost one, on retun trip to shore lost the other side. This year I bought new set of fulton protectors and installed them. After having canvas work done this year (19 mile trip), I already lost one? When I installed them had to use a block of wood and 3lb hammer to get them in, they fit tight Couldn't beleive I lost one already. Any ideas? Krusher
 
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DJ

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Krusher,<br /><br />Usually, they will only work themselves out if the are not seated squarely agaist the mating surface on the hub.<br /><br />After you install them, spin the wheel and make sure there is no wobble on the protector.
 

Seaboo2

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I have this problem on a trailer of mine too, I have spot welded it on (just 1 spot easy to break off to repack), I have also heard of using locktight on it (but never tried it).
 

jeff_nicholas

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I have the same problem on one side of the trailer -- lost 3 so far.<br /><br />I got 2 stainless hose clamps. I cut the screw off one of them and bent the strap across the bearing protector so the open ends of the strap are well on the hub. The second hose clamp goes around the hub, squeezing the straps to the hub, containing the bearing protector. I'll let you know if it works; I'm headed to FL next week. <br /><br />Nick in Spartanburg, SC<br /> http://www.geocities.com/jeff_nicholas/BBR.html
 

ThomWV

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I think I have seen then thousand reasons given for why we loose those things. I don't believe a one of them. We still keep on loosing them.<br /><br />I got sick and tired of it when it occured to me that it really didn't matter much how poor your maintainence routine was with the bearings that you'd still never burn up a set on the road if that cap stayed in place. So I devised a way to keep them on.<br /><br />The trick is simple and it only cost me $0.25 per wheel. I drilled and tapped the outside edge of each of my hubs for a quarter by twenty and then put in quarter inch set screws. The screws were a quarter each. I did the job the first time (I've done it to a bunch of hubs by now including the hubs on my disk brakes) while repacking the bearings anyway, so I had them off and was able to clean them up real well. I have also done it with the hubs on the trailer, just packed rags around the axle, nut, and bearings to protect from metal shavings.<br /><br />Its a very simple job to do and I put together a how-to with pictures. If I still have it I'll come back with a link for you.<br /><br />On Edit: Here you go How To Make Dust Caps or Bearing Buddys Stay Where You Put Them <br /><br />Thom
 

18rabbit

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Thom – you convinced me. If I send you my hubs and 50 cents, will you drill, tap and set the screws for me? :D <br /><br />It’s an excellent link! Nice pix. Thanks!!!
 

neumanns

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Nicley put together, I commend you on a job well done. Thanks
 

rc581

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krusher. join the crowd lol we all have that problem at one time or another. i lost 3 sets, 1 came off in less than 2 miles. ..i wrap one wrap of electrical tape [scotch 33] on the hub itself and then drive them on with a hammer and block of wood. that cured my problem and have not lost one since. good luck...bob
 

ThomWV

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RC,<br /><br />I know exactly what you mean. A couple of years ago I was dunking the boat for the first time of the year, and that meant about a 15 mile tow from my house to a local lake. I had done my spring bearing repacking and had put new bearing buddys on each of the 4 hubs before the first trip of the year. When I got to within about a mile of the lake I stopped for gas and checked the hubs, like I do at all stops, for heat. One was missing its bearing buddy but hadn't slung much grease yet. I had a spare and knocked it in. We ran the boat and then later in the day were bringing it home. I pulled into the same station to check the wheels before we got in the interstate and the same wheel was missing its protector, the second one for the day. So I broke out a second spare and knocked it on. On the way home, about 5 miles from our house I stopped at a store and while we were theire I did my every-stop-walk-around, and you know what I found. The same wheel was missing its cap again. Back to the truck's tools box and this time I pulled out a stock stampted steel dust cap. I knocked it on and went on home. I check everything on that wheel, the nut tightness, the length of the cotter pin (one side trimmed and the other side neatly folded over), the hub for cracks or any thing to indicate that the receiving surface had been harmed. Nothing. In fact when I got to the house I had trouble getting the grease cap off. Anyway I put another bearing buddy in the hole and it stayed for the rest of the year. Go figgure?<br /><br />I have had exactly four bearing failures while on the road in my life. Three of those were on the same day, but each in a different state (NC, VA, and MD). I call it my day from hell. After the second breakdown the hub had been damaged in that the axle nut had gouged out the hole that accepted the bearing-buddy/greas cap. It was worn just large enough that you could push the cap on or pull it off by hand. By that time there was nowhere to get a new hub (this happend on a saturday) so I taped a stock grease cap into place. I used duct tape. It worked so well that for the next couple of years I always taped the hub/greascap after doing my regular maintainence repacking. I used both electric and duct tape. For whatever its worth the duct tape seemed to hold up a bit better and was less noticable. Anyway you are absolutly right, taping them does in fact work. I expect that if you were to dig around any any of our vehicles you'll find a roll of electrical tape and a roll of duct tape in each. Good stuff.<br /><br />As for the reasons you loose a cap I'll tell you some of the more plausable ones I've heard. The first is the cotter pin. Some folks will tell you that if you don't cut it off short after you bend up one leg and cut the other leg completely off the cap will come loose. I'm not sure what their reasoning is, as long as the cap doesn't actually contact the legs of the cotter pin, but its one theory. Another has it that out of balance tires will do it. They say that there is some sort of harmonic that reverberates through the wheel and causes the cap to fly into space. Could be I suppose. Another one is the axle nut too tight or too loose. The thinking here is that it causes the bearings to run hot, heating the hub, which then expands, and kapoweee, the cap is history. Another one that is pretty commonly heard is that the hub has a hairline crack that you may not be able to see. Let me tell you, when that old cast iron cracks you see it, and you see it very clearly. The metal darkens right around the crack and it will stand out like a lightening strike on a dark night. For all I know invisible space monkeys from the planet Zork in the constellation Humongos (8th zerkonian dimension) buzz down and eat the dam things for lunch, sounds about as plausable as some of the reasons I've heard. <br /><br />All I know for sure is that sooner or later the tape sort of puckers up and needs to be replaced but the set screws will definitly hold the caps or bearing buddys in place. Oh, but if you do drill and tap you need to pick up a coupld of allen wrenchs of the right size and stick them in the glove box of the truck, and maybe on in the boat somewhere, and maybe tape one somewhere onto the trailer too (I keep a couple of spare allen wrench and cotter pins taped to the inside of a frame rail on the trailer). <br /><br />Also, those thick aluminum bearing buddys made by Red Eye really work well with the set screws. I actually drilled a small dimple into them, when I used to use them, to accept the tip of the set screw. You can't do that with the stainless bearring buddys or with stock grease caps, or with the stamped metal grease caps that are used with posilube systems either. You also have to be a bit careful when using set screws with stamped steel caps. If you over tighten the set screw it will distort the cap and allow for some very slight grease leakage. <br /><br />Your trick of making one good tight wrap with electrical tape works wonders to stop that little bit of seapage though. The only trick I've found there is to make sure you give the cap and hub a quick wipe down with acetone a minute or two before you try to tape it. The reason is that there is almost alway some residual grease on the parts there and it interfears with the electrical tape sticking like it should.<br /><br />Thom
 

cuzner

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Anybody have any suggestions for bearing buddies ? I lost 2 lsst season and asside from the money to replace them I had visions of the police showing up at my door,them things are heavy and I'd hate to see what kind of carnage they could cause hitting a windsheild.I think there stainless,won't be able to weld them?<br /><br /> Jim
 
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Thanks for all the replies. I also posted this question also on www.thehulltruth.com and received alot of replies. At least I know I'm not alone. Really like the set screw idea. this would really work good using the Fulton type protectors, as they are made of a little heavier metal and set screw will contact protector and not bend it. Please feel free to add any additional ideas. Krusher
 

dingbat

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Here is an old bearing press trick. Take a center punch and "punch" 3 marks around the inside of the hub at 120 degree intervals. The metal displaced by the marks effectively reduce the bore of the hub and makes a much tighter fit for the BB. I've never had one work it's way out when using this method.
 

speedwrench

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If you go with set screws, be sure and carry a hacksaw with you cause you're gonna need it to saw the b/b off when the set screws rust up solid after you dunk it once or twice. Or just a big hammer cause by the time you strip out the hex in the set screw (assuming you can find the allen wrench)you'll be so pi$$ed you will just beat it off. <br />Never-seize, keep your fingers crossed and the hammer handy.
 

Bass Runner

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The biggest reason you guys keep looseing your bearing buddies is either they are loose to begin with or if they are good and tight when you install them, (DO NOT OVER GREASE THEM) just put enough grease in them to compress the spring half way (DO NOT FIII THEM COMPLETEY UP) if you do the grease will push them off. I have been using them for years and lost only one (when i overgreased them) backed off on the grease and no problems since and no bearing failures. :D
 

ThomWV

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Speedwrench,<br /><br />I keep the allen wrench in the toolbox of the truck and I have another set in the portable toolbox I carry in the boat. I've been using the set screws for 5 years now and I launch over 90% of the time in saltwater - and I do dunk my hubs - and I've never had the first hint of a corrosion problem. Of course I remove my wheels/hubs at least once a year for a complete inspection and repacking. I call that preventative maintainence, it works.<br /><br />Thom
 

TwoWatt

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I'm glad I found this post as this was the reason I came here this morning.<br />I lost both my caps. 1 yesterday, the other who knows when.<br />How bad is it to drive with them missing?
 
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DJ

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TwoWatt,<br /><br />You are completely unprotected from water intrusion.<br /><br />Not good.
 

TwoWatt

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Thanks DJ. <br />I decided not to go fishing today because of it. (that & the fact I got fryed yesterday)<br />At least I now know that the bearings were recently done. Looks like fresh grease.<br /><br />Guess this gives me something to do today. :p
 

Boatist

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I had 4 on my trailer since 1980 and only had one come off from driver error. Driver, me turned corner too short and bearing buddy hit rock wall when I turned into our campsite. Went and retrieved put it back on and never came off again.<br /><br />I think if I had that problem I would clean the bearing buddy and trailer hub with some alcohol then coat both with the thin GM gasket sealer let dry for a few minutes and install. The gasket sealer never completely hardend and is very good at sealing and sticking on gaskets. <br /><br />Also make sure you do not have you bearing too tight causeing lots of heat. After seating it should be only finger tight then back off to first notch you can install your cotter key. <br /><br />Only fill hub until the spring is compressed 1/2 to 3/4 the way.<br /><br />Make sure your brakes are not dragging to much over heating the hub causeing excess pressure in the hub.
 
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