Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

[Boomyal]

....the Socialist Consortium (airliners by committe) again. This time it looks big. They ain't flying yet but history shows your money would be safe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19310792/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19421415/

This all without 30 hour work weeks, two months mandatory vacation, National Healthcare, Government provided baby sitting, etc, etc.

Anyone connecting the dots yet? I'm sure that Hillary Clinton, et al, are trying desperately not to.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Watch for some to copy some of the design cues from Boeing. I understand that the dreamliner will be 20% more efficient and that is enough to make one airline, who use the dreamliner profitable while making others non-competitive. I believe it will have 20% less emissions as well. I also believe I read that the new huge Airbus has had some quirks? But none the less is also a significant step forward. Lots of good design implementation. Here in lies the differences in a company's business model vs the competition. I would give the edge to Boeing. But both of these planes represent the next step in aviation. Probably the biggest step in 30 years.

Just another example of "BIG" business developing "green" technology. When executed correctly, for the right reasons, it will be embraced. Where was Algore for this introduction? Out pimpin' rock concerts. Saving the planet with a drum circle. Need I say more?

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

How can socialism compete in a free market when it by nature anti-competitive and anti-free market?

 

[12Footer]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

They can not.... Aint capitalism grand?

 

[mrbscott19]

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Capitalism, while good in theory, is destroying the notion of "for the good of the people". Our capitalistic society is turning us into a greedy, selfish, me me me society. It even goes against the teachings of the bible. But the only thing that matters is the bottom line, right?

Sorry, I haven't been trolling for a while now.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

I also believe I read that the new huge Airbus has had some quirks?

Some quirks? That thing came in way way over budget, over weight and under performed the advertised numbers.

"Quirk" is a nice word, "dismal failure" is more accurate. I forgot how many they will have to sell to break even on that design. They are going ahead with it because if they don't it will just about break the company.

BTW the plane I'm talking about is the A-380.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

It's easy to be magnanimous when you are on the winning side. The new airbus 380 will benefit from techological advancements as they occur. Do not underestimate this plane, as the future lies not only in passengers, but freight.

BTW: Mrscott, communism sucks. Nice ad lib with the "goes against the bible". It doesn't. I have to believe you are trying to extend the charging interest aspects of money. On this plane you might have a theological point from 1000 years ago. Just not a realistic or current one. The understanding is in the details. Most christian religious beliefs are based in charity, not government subsidy.

 

[12Footer]

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Capitalism, while good in theory, is destroying the notion of "for the good of the people".

A society based upon capitalism allows for man to capitalise upon his/her own work and strengths.

Our capitalistic society is turning us into a greedy, selfish, me me me society.

Where did you get that little jewel of alternate reality in these times of unprecidented economic growth? You been readin "the Rainbow Fish" again?

Communism fails every time it is tried.
Name one gubment program that werks.

It even goes against the teachings of the bible. But the only thing that matters is the bottom line, right?

Wrong. I'll need chapter/verse illustratin where capitalism "goes against the Bible" before I believe that devious yarn. ROF
On the contrary, You REALLY need to read this!!

Of course, cracking-open a Bible will not kill you either.

Sorry, I haven't been trolling for a while now.

No need to apologise for trolling as much you should for attempting to mislead, or mis-represent capitalism (which, BTW, is still the established ecomonic approach in America)!
What happens when incentive is removed from any enterspirse, national economy,or endeavor?
Answer: It collapses.... QUICKLY!!

I submit that at some point in your schooling, your definition of capitaism has been twisted by some socialist instructor in some gubment school that I write his/her checks for, mb. So in the interest of education, here is Mirriam Webster's definition:
capitalism:
Function:noun
Date:1877

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Thanks, 12'r..

 

[12Footer]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Some quirks? That thing came in way way over budget, over weight and under performed the advertised numbers.

"Quirk" is a nice word, "dismal failure" is more accurate. I forgot how many they will have to sell to break even on that design. They are going ahead with it because if they don't it will just about break the company.

BTW the plane I'm talking about is the A-380.

Reminds me of the SST race of the 60's n 70's... What a boondoggle that was.

Thanks, 12'r..

Your welcome, Doug

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Capitalism, while good in theory, is destroying the notion of "for the good of the people". Our capitalistic society is turning us into a greedy, selfish, me me me society. It even goes against the teachings of the bible. But the only thing that matters is the bottom line, right?

Sorry, I haven't been trolling for a while now.

Would have expected nothing less from you mrbscott. In your distorted sense of things, you would just as soon Hillary and her ilk determing what gets done and who gets what. Capitolism is synonomous with individualism. That is abhorent to today's american Left.

That's why we call you lefties (blu lunch included) Socialists!

 

[12Footer]

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That's why we call you lefties (blu lunch included) Socialists!

That, and because according to the dictionary, you are, bScott.
SOCIALISM:
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Hey,I'm just sayin -- I didn't write it, Scott.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Hey,I'm just sayin -- I didn't write it

I'll say it... I smell a communist in liberal clothing....

 

[rolmops]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Just to get back to the subject,
After reading reading the kindly provided links,it would seem smart to put my money on the "socialist"(that is, in the mind of some of us) airplane builder.
Where Boeing proudly presented an order portfolio of almost 14 billion dollars,Airbus has a portfolio of over 50 Billion dollars worth of orders.
On a cynical note. Did it ever occur to any of you that the sudden success of Boeing might have something to do with an extremely weak dollar?
Oh, on hauling the bible out to promote either socialism or capitalism.
If you believe in it.
The bible is about religion and living ones life according to what is written.
The bible is not about promoting one's personal political hobbies.

 

[12Footer]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Just to get back to the subject,
After reading reading the kindly provided links,it would seem smart to put my money on the "socialist"(that is, in the mind of some of us) airplane builder.
Where Boeing proudly presented an order portfolio of almost 14 billion dollars,Airbus has a portfolio of over 50 Billion dollars worth of orders.
On a cynical note. Did it ever occur to any of you that the sudden success of Boeing might have something to do with an extremely weak dollar?

Thanks for bringing us back from the abyss, and back on topic.
Got derailed--- I hate when that happens.
Not MY money. Airbus has squandered it's technological edge by throwing their baby (fuel economy) out with the bath water (their slipping QC).
They learned how to do that from Boeing in the first place, but my money is on the most hungry of the two.
Airbus managemment and QC have zero incentive to overcome what appears to be a major challenge in commercial aircraft production.
I may be all wet here, but as the French say , "se la vie" (vei? say levies breaken?)
Oh well, "Those pesky Americans!"

Oh, on hauling the bible out to promote either socialism or capitalism.
If you believe in it.
The bible is about religion and living ones life according to what is written.
The bible is not about promoting one's personal political hobbies.

I agree somewhat. However, the Bible is God's operations manual for mankind.
Oportunities abound to throw babies out with each human translator.

I believe this because I personally try very hard to follow the Manufacturer's recommendations (tho i don't always succeed).

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

Quote:

The Dreamliner — the first commercial jet made of light, sturdy, carbon-fiber composites instead of aluminum — has more than 600 firm orders so far, easily outstripping those for the A350 at just over 100, and the aircraft is now sold out until 2013.

and

Airbus also used the air show as a platform Tuesday to reassure investors and customers that it is back on track after the A350 difficulties and problems with its flagship double-decker A380.

The company’s decision to focus on the 525-seat A380 is the reason its position as the world’s dominant planemaker has slipped. Wiring and other technical problems have led to a two-year delay in delivery of the plane, which is expected to cut profits by 4.8 billion euros ($6.2 billion) for Airbus parent European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co. NV over the next four years.

Where are you putting your dollars?

 

[Skinnywater]

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Boeing is hardly a beacon of the "freemarket".

They get a lot more subsidys then does the Airbus. They recieve huge military contracts that are brokered (bribed) in advance by way of PACs and campaign contributions.

They were indicted and found guilty a few years ago for massive military contract corruption.
They are given billions in Washington state subsidys to keep it's facility in that state, yet are in the process of building the same type facility in South Africa. Hardly a "good faith" deal to the taxpayers of Washington and the US to repay those subsidys.

Those that were against the GATT treaty with China were defeated by super influence by Boeing. Clinton/Gore brokered the deal with Boeing to supply aircraft to a "most favored nation trading status" China, a communist and repressive, slave labor, poison in the exported to the US food China.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Capitalism, while good in theory,

No: Mrbsott19 CAPITALISM IS GOOD IN APPLIED USE; 180 from what you just said.

is destroying the notion of "for the good of the people". Our capitalistic society is turning us into a greedy, selfish, me me me society.

Wrong again. CAPITALISM IS ABOUT ME ME ME, that is why it works. Teddy Roosevelt restricted it to corntrol some of the extremes of the late 1800s.

It even goes against the teachings of the bible.

No comment. Most can find a way to back up the most whacked stuff with the bible, as it is intentionally written that way, IMHO.

But the only thing that matters is the bottom line, right?

Ya got one point right at least.

Sorry, I haven't been trolling for a while now.

Respectfully, JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Boeing is hardly a beacon of the "freemarket".

Typical VERY negative comment outa you King Skinny!!

They get a lot more subsidys then does the Airbus.

You have to be joking, right? Why don't you back this up with some facts, the research will show you how upside down you are.

They recieve huge military contracts that are brokered (bribed) in advance by way of PACs and campaign contributions.

Without agreeing with the negative way you phrazed it: true.

They were indicted and found guilty a few years ago for massive military contract corruption.

True again.

They are given billions in Washington state subsidys to keep it's facility in that state, yet are in the process of building the same type facility in South Africa. Hardly a "good faith" deal to the taxpayers of Washington and the US to repay those subsidys.

King Skinny, ya can't stop a private enterprize from building things where there is relative economic advantages, unless you are a real KING not the suedo King I see. Washington is a very Liberal anti business state, that lost Boeing's HQ to the windy city. They had to remove some of the barriers that I and Bro Haut face to keep the plants they have here. Get a grip on reality my man!!

Those that were against the GATT treaty with China were defeated by super influence by Boeing. Clinton/Gore brokered the deal with Boeing to supply aircraft to a "most favored nation trading status" China, a communist and repressive, slave labor, poison in the exported to the US food China.

Without agreeing with the rhetoric, Boeing was in favor of doin' business n' the Clinton/Gore camp did not care where they got their money from, as they had a well known pipline to and from China, (hope you are aware of the minor lil' fact). Ya want the lazy B put down I take it King Skinny? Glad yer not the real King!! JR

 

[i386]

Re: Looks like the Capitalistic Freemarket (Boeing) beats.....

The Free Market is not capitlistic.

Capitalism is not the free market.

Cool plane though.