Looking for the "Key" to impeller key installation

MrGED05

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I'm hoping to find an experienced hand to give me some guidance. I've rebuilt a '67 Merc 3.9hp engine. It now runs great. Except. No coolant water flow. I've managed to remove the old torn up impeller. (brute force and akwardness) but I'm blasted if I can figure out how to get the impeller drive shaft key to stay in place while I drive the new impeller down into the impeller housing. The key fits into a milled flat recess in the propeller drive shaft and also into a notch on the inside of the bronze impeller bushing. Because of the manner in which the "keyway" was milled into the propeller drive shaft, it sits in a notch in the shaft and must be in place before the impeller is installed.
Would anyone be kind enough to share their secret for performing this task?
Thank you in advance.
 

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Re: Looking for the "Key" to impeller key installation

Hi there.
I don't know about this particular motor, but with some that I have worked on there are a couple of things you can do to make getting the impeller on the key easier. You can take apunch and carefully tap the key so it comes around out of the keyway, i.e take it out, it should be tight. Then make sure the impeller fits on the shaft where it should, put a little sythetic lube on it, it should shove down tight. Once you know the impeller will go on, look at the keyway of you can and decide if it looks like the key will go in, i.e decide if the whole proceedure makes sense. If it looks like it will work you can file a tiny slope on the upper end of the key before you put it back in, and with woodruff keys you can set them in so they are very slightly tipped, so they slope a bit toward the top. Most of the time when you assemble parts like this it helps to wiggle things a bit, turn the shaft, rock the impeller etc. don't just try to go at these things head on. Put a little grease on the impeller blades if you want to turn the driveshaft (clockwise looking down on it) and seat the impeller in the pump cup, or housing. Hope this helps.
 

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Re: Looking for the "Key" to impeller key installation

Hi again

Rereading your description I still can't quite picture the key you describe, it sounds like a square key rather than a woodruff key, and it is loose? You can use a sharp punch to make tiny puckers in the side of the key so it shoves in tight and stays there.
 

CharlieB

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Re: Looking for the "Key" to impeller key installation

'Drive' the impeller down?

Polish/clean the shaft a bit with some emery just enough to make it nice and clean, the impeller should slide down perfectly.

Make sure there are no burrs on the key. Lay the emery on a FLAT SURFACE and slide the key across it, clean all sides of the key.

If the key falls out of place then use a small dab of grease to make it 'stick' in place.

NEVER grease an impeller, petroleum products deteriorate rubber. Use a blob of glycerene/KY or something like that.
 

MrGED05

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Re: Looking for the "Key" to impeller key installation

WOW,
Remarkable. I've never experienced anything like this forum. THANK YOU ALL. I've built automotive racing engines with good results. That was insufficient background for the undertaking of re-building a small outboard. On the issue of my difficulties with the cooling impeller installation, I am sending special thanks to several men who were helpful. I'm also including at the end, a few things I did that employed their knowledge and also worked for me.
First, I apologize to those who were discomfited with my use of "Sir" in my addresses. To you guys, I was drafted as an E-1 in the middle of the Viet Nam conflict, I served E-1, E-2, PFC, Spec 4, Buck Sgt, Staff Sgt, (then sent to OCS) 2d Lt, 1st Lt, Cpt and Commanding Officer. I even address my girfriend's father as "Sir", just a built in reflex on my part. Sir is honorary, not a reflection of rank or duties or anything else.
The good news. The impeller is in, is fully functional and my I.R. meter shows engine temperatures well withing operating ranges at all speeds. This would not have been the case had not:
Charlie B suggested emory cloth on the main propeller drive shaft and warned me about the risk of grease deteriorating rubber.
Lots of Boats shared his good idea about using a sharp punch to get an interference fit for the "key"
emckelvy referring me to a helpful old post to the forum
right coast Rob warning be about force being an indicator that something wasn't right
Scatty suggesting silicone to hold the key in place
AMD Rules for emotional support, guidance on patience and enough interest to request a picture of the engine
Laddies for pointing out that a mark on the prop driveshaft to identify the center of the milled Key slot would help and for warning me that the process would take a "few tries". Laddie please define "Few"....
From my own experience should anyone in the future read this thread, I'll add some things I did to make the repair possible for me:
I used a case hardend "splitter" chisel to crack the old impeller bushing apart at the thin part centered on the key, being careful to not harm the propeller drive shaft or the key. The engine is from 1967, nothing less would remove the old impeller bushing.
I used compressed air to clear out the debris in the impeller housing feeds and outlets. Air stream directed up through the water inlet.
I chucked the top of the splined end of the prop driveshaft into an electric drill and spun the shaft inside a tensioned loop of emory cloth to clean up the surfaces involved with the impeller.
I wrapped the flexible "paddles" of the impeller with carpet thread, paddles correctly angled, tightened them down to fit easily during installaton, then snipped the thread and removed it after installation. Rotating the prop shaft aids removal of the thread remnants. Note, the prop shaft rotates clockwise when viewed from above, the alignment angle of the paddles is apparent.
I cleaned the keyway to surgical standards!! Helped a lot.
My fingers are way too large to be of any use in putting the key into place. I used some more carpet thread and a tiny drop of superglue and accelerator on the convex side to serve as a "handle" to get the key into place to interlock with the impeller bushing. The thread split aduring assembly and was easily removed after installation.
"RTV Blue" is impervious to water. A tiny bead between the mating surfaces of the impeller housing should function wel as a replacement for a Mercury gasket that seems to be made of "Unobtanium" as the base material.
Locktite Blue used on all fasteners.
I close this post with my most sincere thanks to all who guided me, informed me and encouraged me.
Gary
 
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