Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

tmaranda

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I've tried searching a variety of ways, but haven't found anything that fixes my problem.

The boat is a 1991 Eliminator with a 350 Mercruiser and Alpha One drive.

When I got the boat, it had been sitting for an extended period of time with fuel in the tanks. The fuel had turned into gunk, so I replaced all the fuel system components and pressure washed the inside of the tanks. I installed new lines, fabricated new pickups, installed a new tank selector valve, a new Edelbrock carburetor, and a mechanical fuel pump from Sierra.

After that, I had an ongoing issue with fuel pump failures. I finally gave up and took it to a local boat shop. They suggested that remaining varnish from the tanks was causing the fuel pump failures and installed filters between the tanks and the fuel pump.

I recently figured out that the fuel pumps I was getting from Sierra were faulty, hence the high rate of failure. They provided me with two of their new style pumps which they say don't have the same problems.

Even after all this, I am only getting 1-2psi reading on a pressure guage installed between the fuel pump and carburetor. This is at idle with the boat on the trailer getting water from the hose. I tried to put it in the water but I can't get more than 1500-2000 rpm before the engine starves and dies.

I feared that some obstruction was causing this so I tried a couple of things:

-I ran a line from a gas can directly to the fuel pump, bypassing the boat fuel supply. The mechanical fuel pump only output 1-2 psi.
-I tried both fuel pumps. No change.
-I pulled the push rod and check for bends or kinks. It's straight and smooth.
-I installed an automotive electric fuel pump and it produced 4-7 psi on my guage. I fed it from both the fuel can and the boat fuel tanks and got the same pressure, 4-7 psi.

My current theory is that there is some failure in the fuel pump actuating that is giving me reduced output. I'm not sure what may be causing it except for a camshaft problem. When the boat runs on the electric fuel pump, it runs fine. No indication of a camshaft failure.

Based on my success with the electric fuel pump, my idea is to convert to a marine electric fuel pump with appropriate switches and wiring (oil pressure, starter).

Any suggestions or solutions are greatly appreciated! My dad and I having been beating our head against this one for more than a couple of hours and are ready to be done with it!
 

EddiePetty

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

Remove the mechanical fuel pump and check the stroke of the push rod while barring the engine over.....sounds like a worn fuel pump cam lobe or push rod. (Did the original pump have a spacer between the pump and mounting plate?)

Oh, and welcome to iBoats !!!
 

tmaranda

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

Remove the mechanical fuel pump and check the stroke of the push rod while barring the engine over.....sounds like a worn fuel pump cam lobe or push rod. (Did the original pump have a spacer between the pump and mounting plate?)

Oh, and welcome to iBoats !!!

I don't recall a spacer. This is how my installation looks. Marine Parts Plus Mercruiser Serial 350 MAG. ALPHA GM 350 V-8 1987-1995 816596 1014-120

There is a plate between the fuel pump and block. And that has always been there. I thought the purpose of that was to keep the pushrod in.

If its a worn cam lobe, I'm thinking the electric pump route would be an easier fix than a new cam.

Thanks for the welcome. Been lurking here for awhile and was always able to find answers just by searching. Y'all are a smart bunch!
 

Don S

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

If you decide to go with the electric fuel pump, just make sure you wire it to the starter and through an oil pressure switch to keep things safe. You don't want the fuel pump running when the engine is not.

Merc fuel pump wiring.jpg
 

Fun Times

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

Did the thickness of the pump gasket/s change between any of the new vs old (original) Gasket?

Gasket thickness can play a big part in obtaining the correct fuel pressure.
 

achris

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

.... and a mechanical fuel pump from Sierra... .....I recently figured out that the fuel pumps I was getting from Sierra were faulty, hence the high rate of failure.... ...Based on my success with the electric fuel pump, my idea is to convert to a marine electric fuel pump with appropriate switches and wiring (oil pressure, starter).

Looks like you have the problem sorted. One last thing I would try. Get a second hand mechanical pump from a wreckers (yes, I know it's automotive) and just put it on the engine and see what pressure you get. I wouldn't trust a Sierra pump and far as I could throw it. Put the second-hand pump on and run it just for a pressure reading. I am not suggesting you run the boat 'live' with an automotive pump.... Just get the pressure reading. If it's still low, you have confirmed the camshaft problem, go for an electric pump. If the pressure's good, get a genuine pump and fit it.... As I said, I wouldn't trust the Sierra pump for a single second.

Chris.....
 

four winns 214

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Re: Looking for ideas to solve low fuel pressure problem.

I will second the suggestion to check the push rod stroke. Small variations in stroke result in large changes in fuel pressure. I replaced the mechanical pump on my Merc 228R with a Merc OEM pump using gasket specified in parts manual and had a fuel over pressure problem. After trouble shooting to no avail, I called Merc. The product support tech knew exactly what the problem was- push rod stroke. He specified another, thicker gasket. End of problem.
 

tmaranda

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I know this is a really old thread, but I figured I'd update it for the archives.

What I figured out was that I was getting a string (3, to be exact) of bad fuel pumps from Sierra. I switched to Holley and haven't had a problem yet. Well, at least not a fuel pressure problem.
 

Bondo

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Ayuh,.... Thank you for the Update, that rarely happens,.... ;)
 

buzzm19

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I had the same problem t260's if the pumps are from china, which mine were the problem was the fuel pump arm is slightly lower I changed over my old pump tops and had 5-7 psi at idol and this was after they sent me a second set of pumps. Buz
 
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