Karl Rove Indicted?

[gafteci]

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Pointer, Faux News is a cheerleader and a propaganda arm for the GOP and if you can't see that, you really have problems. Faux News has been caught in hundreds of lies and they ALWAYS tilt strongly to the right.<br /><br />And what about David Corn? Did Corn say that Wilson outed Plame? NO!! Plus that interview and story were done after the Novak column came out. So what is your point there??<br /><br />Sidney is dead, can't question him on anything. <br /><br />Andrea Michell said "It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that. But frankly, I wasn't aware of her actual role at the CIA and the fact that she had a covert role involving weapons of mass destruction, not until Bob Novak wrote it."<br />Can you see the distinction there?? She didn't know that Plame was a CIA operative or that she was covert. Huge difference.<br /><br /><br />Here Pointer and all you other FOX FOOLS, look at this site: http://www.newshounds.us/

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> KaGee, you just got to check out that link he provided.

Pretty bad when the writers have to hide behind forum surnames.<br /><br />Got Koolaid?

 

[Kwas]

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Faux News has been caught in hundreds of lies and they ALWAYS tilt strongly to the right.<br />

GAFTECI<br /><br />I am guessing since you are a left wing racical that you are refering to FOX news, You would at least have a shread of credibility if you wouldn't play games with names. We also have many left wing radicals here that call the President names too, just like a bunch of grade school kids do.<br /><br />put your money where your mouth is, what are some of these hundreds of lies that FOX news tells?

 

[rolmops]

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Jb,please read my thread starter again and tell me which rumor I stated as fact.I asked whether anybody knows any facts and I also said that I wonder what is true.<br />Kwas, you are right as far as I am concerned.I dislike Karl Rove because of the character assasination he committed against Kerry and McCain and his general disregard for human decency.<br />As campaign strategist he did not do much to promote Bush's qualities,instead he consistently and succesfully maligned anyone who might be an electoral threat to Bush by badmouthing them.Karl Rove almost single handedly made our democratic election process the laughing stock of the world.<br />A few months from now there will be new elections and it would be a good thing for american democracy if he were not around to further pollute what should be a clean process.

 

[gafteci]

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Kwas, I already gave you www.newshounds.us. But here is another one for you: Media Matters <br />What I like about Media Matters is that they give you the whole clip or story and not just one sentence. That way they can't distort it to their "Left Wing" thinking.<br />As far as I know, they have never been proven wrong in what the post.

 

[PW2]

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Absolutely correct, Rolmops.<br /><br />Let's have for once an honest debate in American politics, and not the character assasination attempts and fear mongering that Mr. Rove is so skilled at.

 

[PW2]

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Gafteci,<br /><br />Rove supporters are trained in character assasination, and always want to turn the debate on the character of Joe Wilson et al.<br /><br />It simply does not matter in the case of whether Rove did or did not lie to the grand jury.<br /><br />It does not even matter that what he reported back to the CIA, and what he wrote in his NYT op-ed piece, was accurate.<br /><br />He is not the target of any investigation. Libby has been indicted, Rove may be indicted.<br /><br />Joe Wilson's character is not on trial, and constantly bringing him up in this is a simple but futile attempt to distract attention from the real issues involved.

 

[rodbolt]

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but if you disrtact long enough and loud enough the truth becomes a footnote. works for both paties.

 

[POINTER94]

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Media matters, left coaster, and usnewshounds. Wow, nice selection. Balanced. Even handed. Repeat enough lies often enough and ........ well someone already said that. <br /><br />So much anger. The pent up rage is spilling over. Charactor assasinations and fear combine to make sites like that. I am sorry this is all that is available to frustrated liberals. Where is the message? It seems all they have is chasing others. This explains so much to me. I understand how the left cultivates the class envy and the politics of personal destruction. Who exactly is doing the charactor assination? Gen. Paul Vallely is an experience and decorated veteran of many campaigns both military and political. But don't like what he says, he is a liar. Nice. <br /><br />Take a look at this thread. Anyone provide proof of Rove doing anything? Irresponsible accusations assailing someones charactor based on what? Evidence or hope? Wantonly sticking heads in the sand, and then claiming they don't know anything. Don't like the information attack the source instead of the content.<br /><br />The drive by media started the rumor Rove was to be indicted last monday, then last week, now shortly. Facts are in short supply, inuendo rules the day. Reports have been wrong and nobody seems to care. Interesting yet pathetic. Fun to watch seasoned and respected journalists like those at the left coaster practicing their craft. Interesting, but anyone who passed high school jounalism knows, worthless.<br /><br />Good news out of the left this week!! Murtha calls our troop murderers. Before a trial, not even the benefit of the doubt. Trying to keep up with Durbin and calling our troops Nazis and Kerry calling our troops terrorists. Keeping up the the Liberal Jones is just getting tougher and tougher. But they support our troops. Just another day on the left supporting our troops.

 

[KaGee]

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Pointer, you forget... it started with Tom Foley... it's never about the nature of the evidence... it's about the seriousness of the charge. The politics of personal destruction was perfected by Bill Clinton et.al.. And now it's escalated to the criminalization of politics. If you can't win at the ballot box, try and get them in the jury box.

 

[rolmops]

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Kagee,although your point is well taken,you are wrong about who perfected this game.Does the name Kenneth Star mean anything to you?Karl rove was an avid student of him and where Starr stayed within the law(sort of),Carl Rove disregards the law when it is convenient to do so.

 

[Kwas]

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What Pointer said about those left wing web sites is right on the mark. I went to the first one that was listed and found that I had to wade through forums loaded with lies and personal opinons as to what someone on Fox news said or didn't say. It's sole purpose of this site is to bash FOX news. If this is the best you have Gafteci you had better go back to the drawing board.<br /><br />As far a Karl Rove, that's what both sides do to win elections. If anyone thinks that the the Democratic party is hollier than thou you had better think again. The left wingers through George Soros smeared President Bush to the best of their ability, just not good enough to win 2 elections. The attacks on George Bush's military record is something that you left wingers should not be proud of, a lot of lies, forged documents and a left wing radical program manager and anchorman getting fired.<br /><br />You want to blame Ken Starr for doing something wrong? He was hired by the Clinton justice department to do a job, He wasn't just someone who on his own went on a witch hunt. As a matter of fact it was Janet Reno that hired him, Hmmmm, perhaps it is her that you should be upset with. What laws has Rove disregarded? Where did you get the information that Rove was an "avid student" of Ken Starr? You are the first person that I have ever heard say that. Now that it looks as though Tom Delay will not be convicted of anything it's back to Rove for you folks. Happy hunting, but he has already proved that he is way ahead of you guys.

 

[PW2]

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Kwas,<br /><br />That's an interesting theory.<br /><br />It's ok to do political dirty tricks because the other side does it as well?<br /><br />That's an interesting moral position to take. So much for the "values" debate.<br /><br />And I'm afraid George Bush has done a fine job with smearing himself. It is reflected in his 31 % approval rating. And he has done it, to paraphrase the old commercial, "The old fashioned way- He earned it".

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> I dislike Karl Rove because of the character assasination he committed against Kerry and McCain and his general disregard for human decency.<br />As campaign strategist he did not do much to promote Bush's qualities,instead he consistently and succesfully maligned anyone who might be an electoral threat to Bush by badmouthing them.Karl Rove almost single handedly made our democratic election process the laughing stock of the world.<br />A few months from now there will be new elections and it would be a good thing for american democracy if he were not around to further pollute what should be a clean process.<br />

STOP! lololol Stop!....I cant breathe....

 

[Kwas]

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PW,<br /><br />You are a typical left wing radical! Read something someone says and say that they said something different. Where o where did I Justify what either party is doing? Don't talk to me about morality when you deliberatly misstate what I said. No, it isn't President Bush that is smearing himself, it is left wing radicals like you that is doing that, take a look in the mirror.

 

[POINTER94]

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From: THE CORNER, NRO<br /><br />REPORTS OF ROVE'S INDICTMENT ARE GREATLY... [Byron York]<br /><br />You haven't heard about it, but many reporters spent part of their weekend making calls to check out a report on a left-wing website, truthout.org , that Karl Rove has been indicted in the CIA leak investigation. The report, by someone named Jason Leopold, was posted yesterday and was headlined, "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators." It began:<br /><br /><br />Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.<br /><br />During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.<br /><br />Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.<br /><br />It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.<br /><br /><br />The report came out of the blue on Saturday. Jason Leopold, who has written a memoir, entitled News Junkie, in which, according to the book's promotional material, he portrays himself as a writer "whose addictive tendencies led him from a life of drug abuse and petty crime to become an award-winning investigative journalist," has written wildly unreliable reports about the CIA leak affair before. But still, reporters of every stripe felt they had to check this one out.<br /><br />So did I. I talked with Rove defense spokesman Mark Corallo, who told me the story was completely baseless. Part of our conversation:<br /><br /><br />Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?<br />No.<br />Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?<br />No.<br />Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove's representatives?<br />No.<br />Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove's representatives?<br />No.<br />Did he inform Rove or Rove's representatives that Rove had been indicted?<br />No.<br /><br /><br />So there seems to be nothing to the story, certainly nothing which any other reporter has seen fit to report. Which raises a question: What is going on here? The journalists who checked out the story, quite properly, did not repeat Leopold's bad information. But for some media blogger out there, it might be reasonable to ask: Where are these reports coming from?<br />_______________________________________________________________________<br /><br />Who cares about facts. Just spit out whatever gets the lefties fired up and it is all ok. But this is consistant with those who are more interested in agendas than facts. One nutty left wing blogger type gets then entire alphabet media in a tizzy. Fox is clearly the one sided network. Popularity contests now used as a basis to prove guilt. It is all so very sad.

 

[PW2]

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KWAS wrote:<br />______________________<br />As far a Karl Rove, that's what both sides do to win elections. If anyone thinks that the the Democratic party is hollier than thou you had better think again.<br />_____________________________<br /><br />So how can that be interpreted any differently than I did?<br /><br />As for Rove, I admit he is very skilled at what he does. Anyone that can spin the military record of a bona fide decorated combat war hero into a liability when compared to a couple of draft dodgers has got some talent.<br /><br />Too bad they don't seem to be able to govern nearly as well as they can spin during the elections!

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> KWAS wrote:<br />______________________<br />As far a Karl Rove, that's what both sides do to win elections. If anyone thinks that the the Democratic party is hollier than thou you had better think again.<br />_____________________________<br /><br />So how can that be interpreted any differently than I did?<br /><br />As for Rove, I admit he is very skilled at what he does. Anyone that can spin the military record of a bona fide decorated combat war hero into a liability when compared to a couple of draft dodgers has got some talent.<br /><br />Too bad they don't seem to be able to govern nearly as well as they can spin during the elections!

If you want to give Rove the credit go ahead, but most folks who payed attention know it was Kerrys anti war mantra after he left vietnam, called his brothers in arms murderers, and behind the scenes, filmed re-enactment of his alegded heroics that sealed the nails in that coffin of his military conduct that he wished to run on. But hey! you can give the credit to Carl if it makes feelings feel better. Or you can blame W whom most of us supporters were demayed that W did not repeat this truth enough if at all. <br /><br />History revisionism is all you got.

 

[rodbolt]

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will he be indicted? who knows. if he lied then toss him in the clink,where Clinton should be, and toss the key.<br /> if he did not figgure it out rapidly and get on with life.<br /> if lawyers and judges would worry more about the truth and less about political manuevering it should only take a few weeks.<br /> I dont care that Clinton had consensual sex in he oval office, he is not the first. however when confronted he should have said yes and now its between me and Hillary. would have stopped the nonsense in its tracks. however everyone knew the truth and the US taxpayer got stuck for about six million and was made a laughing stock in the eyes of overseas govts.<br /> for the lying he should have been big house bound regardless of political statue.<br /> president or not perjury is purjury, when your in court ya tell the truth,the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth.<br />and if ya get caught intentionally doing something else it should be jail time immediatly.

 

[POINTER94]

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I agree with rodbolt 90%. <br /><br />I could care less about what the French or the Germans or the Italians think about us. When the rubber hits the road it is they who are on their knee's begging for our help. Be it natural disasters, war, famine, disease control, protection on the high seas, medical assistance, political strife. I keep hearing about how we should be concerned how we are portrayed in the international press. Who gives a rip. I never hear them laughing when they need our help.<br /><br />As far as lying in court, go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. That should apply two fold to those who are sworn to uphold the law, or involved in government.<br /><br />If it is such an honor to serve, then serve with honor.