Karl Rove Indicted?

rolmops

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I was reading some blogs and it keeps on popping up that Karl Rove will be indicted in the Valery Plame case.Anybody know any facts?<br />It seems to be in character for the man who created "swift boat crews against Kerry" and tried to make John McCain's name mud in the last election,to have had more than a hand in the Valerie Plame case.<br />I just wonder what is true.
 

PW2

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He is certainly under the threat of indictment, and having to testify 5 or six times in front of the grand jury can't be a good thing.<br /><br />Still, Fitzgerald's investigation has been notably leak free, and we won't know for sure until the blessed event takes place.<br /><br />One can dream, however, and the anticipation certainly makes life worth living!
 

Kwas

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It is obvious that both rolmops and pw2 are upset with Rove not for the Valorie Plane leak but for other reasons. Leaks are commonplace in Washington but I don't see either of you complaining or suggesting that someone get indited for all the other leaks. Why are you two hopeing that Rove get indited? The so called leak caused no one any harm, she wasn't even undercover. It has been stated by many in Washington that everyone knew that she worked for the CIA. All of her friends and neighbors knew it. So why don't don't you tell us what your real gripe is with Carl Rove. :confused:
 

KaGee

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Originally posted by oddjob:<br /> I just came in here to laugh... :D
Me too! :D :D <br /><br />But seriously, left wing blogs always tell the truth as they see it... so it must be true... in their minds anyway. Truth is now relative.
 

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This is two in three days that have taken the POSSIBILITY or THREAT of something and posted it as fact in the topic.<br /><br />Mexico HAS NOT sued the USA, and Karl Rove HAS NOT been indicted.
 

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I might fart in here. Quick! start a new topic!
 

gafteci

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Kwas, you have it all wrong. First, Valerie Plame’s friends and neighbors didn’t know she worked for the CIA. There have been countless stories done in print and on TV about how people around her were shocked to find out that she was a CIA operative. I too have heard what you’ve said and I’ve seen stories in print and on TV stating that people knew about her and the CIA. However, if you notice in those stories, there is never a first person account of that. It is always “I heard that Joe Wilson was telling people” or “A friend told me that Joe Wilson was telling people”, but never have I seen an interview where a person has said that they were told by Joe Wilson or anyone else said that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA before she was outed. It is always second hand.<br /><br />Then you said that the leak caused no harm. That is laughable! Of course it did. She was working on countering the Iran threat in regards to nuclear proliferation. Read this and tell me her outing had no harm to our national security.
 

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I heard that Joe Wilson was telling people” or “A friend told me that Joe Wilson was telling people”, but never have I seen an interview where a person has said that they were told by Joe Wilson or anyone else said that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA before she was outed. It is always second hand.<br />
Here you go. C&P<br /><br />Calling it "a potentially explosive development in the CIA leak <br />investigation," Fox News analysts Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes grilled <br />retired Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely tonight about his claim that Ambassador <br />Joseph Wilson "outed" his wife as a CIA agent in 2002, a year before her <br />identity was exposed by a political columnist. <br /><br /><br />"There's no personal vendetta here," Vallely told the pair, "I want to make <br />that clear. It all came about questioning why the special prosecutor did not <br />include in his inquiry bring under oath Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame or anybody <br />in the CIA as far as we know, so the question is out there to be answered." <br /><br /><br />The interview on Fox News was the first time Vallely addressed the <br />revelation on national television. A search of Lexis-Nexis newspaper <br />archives reveals major media outlets including the Associated Press, <br />Reuters, New York Times and Washington Post have not reported a single story <br />about Wilson's alleged 2002 disclosure. <br /><br /><br />As WorldNetDaily first reported over the weekend, Vallely claimed Wilson <br />revealed wife Valerie Plame's employment with the CIA to him in a casual <br />conversation in the Fox News "green room" the year before she allegedly was <br />"outed" by columnist Robert Novak. <br /><br /><br />"As we talked about our families, he did not say she was an agent, only that <br />she was employed by the [Central Intelligence] Agency," Vallely reiterated <br />on TV tonight. <br /><br /><br />Vallely's disclosure of Wilson's comments first came during ABC Radio's John <br />Batchelor show last Thursday night, and once WND interviewed the general <br />about his remarks, both Vallely and WND received demands for retraction and <br />legal threats from attorney Christopher Wolf, who represents Wilson. <br /><br /><br />"WorldNetDaily and I both were absolutely a little shocked on Saturday <br />evening when we got an e-mail from Joe Wilson's lawyers in Washington really <br />asking us to 100 percent retract our statements that were made on the radio <br />show," Vallely told Fox. "I'm not gonna back down on the fact we had a <br />casual conversation. The fact is we were there together, we didn't agree on <br />a lot of the things about the war, but we can agree to disagree." <br /><br /><br />When asked by Hannity if he knew if any other person was told by Wilson <br />himself that his wife worked for the agency, Vallely responded, "I have <br />friends back in Washington, D.C., [who] have told me that on the social <br />circuit back there, the State Department, the social circles, also in CIA <br />that it was very well known she worked for the agency. She was an analyst, <br />not a covert agent." <br /><br /><br />Widely known? <br /><br /><br />At least two veteran reporters say Valerie Plame's association with the CIA <br />was widely known, and a prominent analyst on military and political affairs, <br />Victor Davis Hanson, told WorldNetDaily his own green-room encounter with <br />Wilson revealed a man who is unusually free with personal information to <br />strangers. <br /><br /><br />Former Time magazine correspondent Hugh Sidey told the New York Sun in a <br />story published Sunday. "[Plame's] name was knocking around in the sub rosa <br />world we live in for a long time." <br /><br /><br />NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell, in an appearance on CNBC's "Capitol Report," <br />Oct. 3, 2003, was asked how widely it was known in Washington that Wilson's <br />wife worked for the CIA. <br /><br /><br />"It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community <br />and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign <br />service community was the envoy to Niger," she said. <br /><br /><br />Hanson, a Hoover Institution fellow and National Review columnist, told WND <br />that like Vallely, he had a casual but unusually frank conversation with <br />Wilson in the Fox News green room before appearing on the air with the <br />ambassador some time, he believes, in early 2003. <br /><br /><br />But contrary to a report, Hanson said Wilson did not disclose his wife's CIA <br />employment. <br /><br /><br />Nevertheless, Hanson found the first-time encounter to be revealing, <br />describing Wilson as being very "indiscreet" and "unguarded" with personal <br />information, rambling in a "stream of consciousness" manner. <br /><br /><br />"It was almost as if he were bored; he was non-stop talkative and sort of <br />self-absorbed," Hanson said. <br /><br /><br />"When I left, I seemed to know a lot about Joe Wilson that he had <br />spontaneously offered to a stranger." <br /><br /><br />While Wilson did not tell Hanson anything of his wife's CIA connection, <br />Hanson was a witness to an intense 30-minute conversation between the <br />ambassador and The Nation magazine Editor David Corn, who apparently were <br />meeting for the first time. <br /><br /><br />Corn's July 16, 2003, column was the first published mention of Wilson's <br />claim that the White House intentionally had "outed" Plame as retaliation <br />for the Niger report. <br /><br /><br />Entitled "A White House Smear," Corn's column said, "Soon after Wilson <br />disclosed his trip in the media and made the White House look bad, the <br />payback came. Novak's July 14, 2003, column presented the back-story on <br />Wilson's mission and contained the following sentences: "Wilson never worked <br />for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons <br />of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's <br />wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate" the allegation. <br /><br /><br />Corn claims Wilson never confirmed whether his wife was a covert agent, yet <br /><br /><br />he writes: <br /><br /><br /> Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson <br />says, "Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every <br />relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire <br />career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames." <br />Corn concluded: "The Wilson smear was a thuggish act. Bush and his crew <br />abused and misused intelligence to make their case for war. Now there is <br />evidence Bushies used classified information and put the nation's <br />counter-proliferation efforts at risk merely to settle a score. It is a sign <br />that with this gang politics trumps national security." <br /><br />(Note: To view the "Hannity & Colmes" segment, click here.) <br /> http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/11/08... <br /><br /><br /> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47306 <br /><br /><br />Reply
 

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If Rove is to be indicted, it will be probably as Libby was for lying to the grand jury.<br /><br />Kwas, your protestations would have a bit more validity had you also argued that Bill Clinton's alleged lying caused no harm either, and should not have been pursued.<br /><br />Illegally "outing" a CIA agent is a difficult thing to prove criminality, as you not only have prove that she was covert, but you also had to prove that Rove knew this and did it anyway, intentionally. It is a hard thing to *prove*, beyond a reasonable doubt, what was in someone's head, and what exactly their motives were.<br /><br />It is somewhat easier to prove whether or not they knowingly lied to a grand jury. The question of whether or not it caused "harm" is irrelevant.
 

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If he is a liar, yet to be proven, hoist him to a tree and let him swing. There has to be real penalties for messing with our system. 10 years breaking big rocks into little rocks sounds about right to me.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> If he is a liar, yet to be proven, hoist him to a tree and let him swing. There has to be real penalties for messing with our system. 10 years breaking big rocks into little rocks sounds about right to me.
You heartless man you, where is your compassion for a conservative? :D
 

Kwas

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Read this and tell me her outing had no harm to our national security.
That blog is presuming that she was a covert agent, which she wasn't.<br /><br />
Kwas, your protestations would have a bit more validity had you also argued that Bill Clinton's alleged lying caused no harm either, and should not have been pursued.<br />
It was proven in federal court that Clintons lie was not just "alleged" as you wish to whitewash it, and he was fined for doing so. Plame was not a covert agent at the time of any "alleged" leak therefore no harm was done as proscribed by the law. <br /><br />Since you chose to ignore my question as to why you wanted Rove indited other than an "alleged" leak, I will speculate. Rove is the mastermind which helped defete Gore and Kerry. Time to "moveon" as the name of one of the left wing wacko orgs suggests. Get over it, it was over a long time ago!
 

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Pointer, it seems that Paul Vallely is a Fox news analyst, which means he’s a right winger and a liar. See this on Joe Wilson and Vallely’s changing story: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005975.php <br /><br />Victor David Hanson is another right wing nut. Hoover Institute and The National Review??? <br /><br />It seems that Joe Wilson only talks to Right Wingers?!?! Kind of strange for an obvious Lefty!<br /><br />Fitzgerald has looked into all of these allegations and has shown that they are all crap! And don’t try to say that Fitzgerald is playing partisan politics. Both the Left and the Right say that he is not political and that he is very fair. I just wish the same could be said for FOX News and the people they put on!!<br /><br />The CIA has said that Plame was undercover. They were the ones who asked for the investigation. What more do you want?!?<br /><br />Come on Pointer!! Quit getting your lies… I mean news… from Faux News and the other GOP propaganda sites!!
 

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Supporters of Karl Marx arguing with supporters of Karl Rove. Who could have imagined it? :confused: :p
 

POINTER94

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And David Corn, And Andrea Mitchell, and Hugh Sidney. Just don't pretend you never heard anything. You want to call people liars, impune peoples charactor based on where they work, question the sources, ignore those you don't like, thats your business, but here you have a story outlining several people rebutting the ever truthful (no my wife had nothing to do with me getting the job) Joe Wilson. <br /><br />Quote:<br /><br />“A friend told me that Joe Wilson was telling people”, but never have I seen an interview where a person has said that they were told by Joe Wilson or anyone else said that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA before she was outed. It is always second hand.<br /><br /><br />You stated you never heard of a person that was told by Joe Wilson his wife was a CIA agent. Now you have, do what you want with it. I wasn't argueing with your assessment, just providing facts.<br /><br />
Pointer, it seems that Paul Vallely is a Fox news analyst, which means he’s a right winger and a liar. See this on Joe Wilson and Vallely’s changing story: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005975.php <br /><br />
Here is the resume for the man you called a Liar.<br /><br /> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37307,00.html <br /><br />Want to stack his credentials against Joe Wilsons? <br /><br />Works for Fox = Liar??? :confused: <br /><br />Thanks for that valuable link to the Left coaster. I encourage everyone go to that site and establish their own opinion of that factual and balanced presentation of facts and arrive at their own opinions.
 

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And so the story goes on.......<br /><br />Things are no longer looked upon as right or wrong... simply Left or Right.<br />
which means he’s a right winger and a liar.
That my friend is an extremely narrow minded view of life.
 

POINTER94

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KaGee, you just got to check out that link he provided.
 
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