johnson 4 hp 1970

littledart

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i am trying to fix a 1970 4 hp Johnson i put new coils in it as it had no spark adjusted the points gap to 0.020 and new sparks plugs gaped to 0.030 cleaned out the carb and now it runs for 1minet tops then it will diy and i cant get it to re start and help would be grate as i am loosening my mined on where to go next :mad:
 

Rick.

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Re: johnson 4 hp 1970

Nest thing to do is try to see if your problem is with gas or spark. I'm guessing gas. Put a little premix gas in a spray bottle and spray gas directly into the carb. If it will tun longer your problem is in the carb. After you cleaned the carb. did you set the low speed needle? Could be that simple. Does it run longer with the choke partially on? Let us know what you find. Best of luck. Rick.
 

kfa4303

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Re: johnson 4 hp 1970

HI littledart. Welcome to iboats. Did you ever see the motor run before you started working on it? If so, then you should be able to get it going again. The trick is to be systematic, and work your way through the motor one system at a time. Thankfully, these little old motors are dead simple so you can usually track down problems pretty easily. I would suggest you start at the top (i.e. under the flywheel) and work your way down. Let's start wioth the ignition system. You said you re-gaped the points to .020", which is correct, but the may be dirty/corroded and need a cleaning if they aren't new. You may also have a bad condenser(s), which could be causing you troubles. I would suggest you get a tune up kit ($20) with points and condensers, just to be safe. They're consumable parts that are meant to be changed every so often. Once the points and condensers are eliminated as a possible problem, I would next move on the coils. If the look scorched, cracked or damged in any way you'll want to replace them. While the original coils were notoriously bad, the newer replacement coils are much, much more reliable. In fact, the original coils have probably already been replaced by a previous owner. If you see smooth, plastic covered coils, then you're probably ok. Now check to tsee that the spark plug wires are correctly attached to the coils. Better yet replace them with some new 7mm, copper core wires. You'll be amazed at what a difference they can make. Napa sells copper core s'plug wire for about $3 a foot. Next on to the carb. You said you "cleaned" out the carb, but did you "rebuild" it (i.e. disassemble it and replace all of the gaskets and packings), if not you should. You can get a carb kit for about $25 and it will make a world of difference. Once the ignition, and carb are straightened out she should run, assuming you have good compression. Try these tricks, give these links a read and let us know what you find. While the motors in the following links aren't the exact same as yours the steps and procedures are the same. That's one of the great things about these old OMC motors. Once you can work on 5 hp, you can work on a 50 hp. Good luck. Keep us posted.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/columns/max/index1.htm
http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...on 3 HP 1952-1967 Ignition System Tune-up.htm
http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...hnson 5.5 HP 1954-1964 Carburetor Tune-UP.htm
http://www.sschapterpsa.com/ramblings/johnson_QD.htm

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=167352

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littledart

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Re: johnson 4 hp 1970

thanks for the help i have placed an order for a new set of points and i have already put new condensers on it i no have a the problem that when i was working on it i broke the CAM FOLLOWER and no one makes it any more any clue how to get around this one
 

F_R

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Re: johnson 4 hp 1970

Let me guess. Are you running it in a barrel? Do you have the gas tank sitting on the floor? That may be too far to lift the fuel and it is running out of gas. Especially if you have one of those old fuel pumps with rubber flaps for check valves. They were no good when new.
 

littledart

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Re: johnson 4 hp 1970

Let me guess. Are you running it in a barrel? Do you have the gas tank sitting on the floor? That may be too far to lift the fuel and it is running out of gas. Especially if you have one of those old fuel pumps with rubber flaps for check valves. They were no good when new.

I am testing it just as u sed I will lift the tank up tomrow and see if that makes a diffrence
 
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