Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

[JasonJ]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

Pointer, I think probably one of his examples of misrepresentations, as well as a lot of others who share his opinion, is his statements on the "Liberal Mainstream Media". During the Clinton administration, the mainstream news could not get enough of broadcasting Clintons rather interesting extracuricular activities. Yet, the news is unusually silent about Bush's binge-drinking daughters or the fact that he spends a whole mess of time clearing brush down in NeverNeverLand. I watch the news a lot, and I never hear anything bad about the current administration. I try to look for the leftiness of the media and I really don't see it. It isn't for a lack of me not wanting to see it either.<br /><br />All I am saying is this "liberal media" for the most part seems to be a figment of a lot of peoples imagination. Are they perfect? God no, but the far right really has little to back their claim up with. I know you are reaching for the keyboard to bring up the Rathergate incident. That was an example of poor decision making from a group of individuals, not the entire industry. Like I said, the media is not perfect, but they are not nearly as lefty as the Rush's of the world want people to believe.<br /><br />If you say it loud enough and often enough, people will believe it. Doesn't make it true...<br /><br />Does Rush talk in a hateful manner? Yes he does. everytime he mentions his varied insulting comments towards lefties, you cannot believe he is doing it out of objectivity or love. It is specifically designed to cause negative emotion and division. That, my friend, is hate. You can paint it any way you want it to, but if you replaced the word "Liberal" in his commentary with "Fag" or "N****r", he would be off the air. <br /><br />It is his glaring lack of objectivity that removes any substance from his message. It isn't that he is wrong, it is how he is delivering his truth. The fact that he is as popular as he is is not indicative of how factual he is, it is indicative of just how many people out there are as biased as he is. <br /><br />My personal favorite is how the screeners make sure his callers are mostly in agreement, and they'll let one or two through that dissagree. He does not let them make their point, he cuts them off and then goes to commercial, but he never does that to the "You are a great American" bunch that calls in to stroke his ego.<br /><br />His lack of objectivity is what will keep him from the Whitehouse. Yes, his drug issue is a valid point that does not need to be swept away under the rug along side Bush's binge-drinking daughters or Bush's coke-fest college days. Boys will be boys? Nope. Rush's drug thing is evidence of his character. He didn't quit on his own, he was caught. That removes credibility in my book. <br /><br />I also understand Pointer that what I have just said will be refuted by you and others with "Clear evidence" to the contrary. Its okay, because I still know the truth no matter how much you tell me otherwise, but you can give it your best shot anyways

 

[rodbolt]

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hahahah<br /> dogsdad <br /> ya dont have to go rapid.<br /> as far as the wall its been tried before in history, unless you willing to start killing folks climbing the wall, seems that occured a few years back in eastern europe, then the wall is a waste of time and money. it will provide a false sense of security and just serve to escalate the cost and risk of those attempting to enter. but throughout history walls have not worked well at all. from the great wall in china to the magnigot line to the berlin wall. <br /> we cant even seem to keep folks in prisons much less outside a wall.<br /> as far as cosby he may or may not be clean and lily white, most of us are not. however when that woman tried to extort money from him the system worked.<br /> as far as Rush he is an addict like anyother using any drug to alter a state of mind, his "pain" was long over and his brain was addicted. it happens with alcohol as well.<br /> most addicts are trying to relieve a pain of one type or another.<br /><br /> as far as Delay time will tell, same with Rove,and "scooter" if they did it they will pay if not the system will work still. I hope they did not do anything wrong but appearently it had the Apperence of wrong doing. thats why our system is set up the way it is, is slow and ungainly sometimes but it works.<br /> as far as the mexican problem its been a problem for years and years. its just as their population grows its gonna get worse. but maybe you can post some facts on how a fence will work. maybe you would enjoy shooting men,women and children as they attempt to climb it. or maybe we can just electrify it and scrape the charred remains off now and again.<br /> so tell us all about YOUR personal fence plan and how it will keep folks out.<br /> but there is no difference between a crack,meth,alcohol or about any other addict. <br /> about the closest you can distingush is one got addicted while under a Dr's supervision. <br /> however I have many relatives and myself with some incredibly painful problems, mine was aqquried during service in the USN and I am medically retired due to it. other than motrin and extra strength tylenol I probbly take less than 5 narcotic pain pills a month. sometimes I have to.<br /> so I know a bit about chronic pain and its management.<br /> I also never got hooked even though my perscriptions tend to be for 6 months at a whack and they ask no questions at portsmouth navel hospital.<br /> dont even get me started on steady teddy and clinton and a few others.<br /> both should have done jail time.<br /> compare that runaway bride chick to clinton, she told a cop a lie, most of us have at sometime or other . clinton was CONVICTED of perjury and walked away with a pension and a library. it aint right.<br /> so like I say neither party can claim any moral high ground.<br /><br /><br /> but your completely wrong on my assertations that I sincerly hope Rush has kicked his addictions. as a former "addict" myself I can testify how hard it is.<br /> I wish an addiction on nobody but the only way to kick any addiction starts with the person, if the addict wants it he will get it, if not no amount of intervention will help.<br /><br /> but lets hear your plan of how to keep men,women and children from scaling a wall 7 rows deep and 2000 miles long and then give us an idea of the cost to maintain that wall <br /> then tell me which is cheaper, helping the mexicans change or building maintaining and staffing a wall.

 

[dogsdad]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

Rodbolt, once upon a time, in the 50s and 60s, for instance, we had pretty good control of our borders, and that was accomplished through a simple willingness to enforce the laws of the land. The problem of the flood of invaders from south of the border has been brought on by the present-day unwillingness to enforce American laws and the general willingness to reward those who break those laws.<br /><br />Immediate deportation to points far south of the border, a discontinuance of rewards for illegals, and stepped up patrols in conjunction with physical barriers to infiltration most certainly WILL WORK to keep illegals out.<br /><br />We need an administration and Congress that is willing to stand up to Senor Fox and tell him that Mexico must solve Mexico's problems, beginning with the destruction of the extremely and blatantly corrupt power monopoly enjoyed by the wealthy few.<br /><br />Over and out.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

What does anyone expect from a nation that debates whether to give it's illegal aliens drivers licences? Speaks volumes about the authoritative positions on the subject, doesn't it??

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

I don't think it is a good idead to compare current times to the 50s and 60s. Of course we did a better job then, there wasn't the shear population of border crossers as there is today. Our poplutaion is much larger, we have more jobs. Their population is much larger, and we have the jobs they need. No big shock that the problem has grown worse. Yes Boom, I shudder when I think about that drivers license deal. Yeah, a 30 foot wall with gun emplacements every 50 feet would fix 'er right up, but as was previously mentioned, walls don't work well and that is a whole bunch of green to spend (Why yes, we could have funded the Great Wall of Mexico three times over with the cost of the war, why do you ask?). No easy answers on this subject...

 

[CJY]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

Pointer stated;<br /><br />

Rush would never run for office. 1) There is the topic of the pay cut he would take

Now that is no reason to sensationalize his show is it? No listeners, no pay. Sounds like mainstream media to me. Hey wait a minute, you didn't want us to notice it works both ways did you? Sorry for exposing the secret.

 

[CJY]

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Sorry rolmops, thought I was still on the "media" thread. <br /><br />Readers, place above statement into "media" thread. Pointer led me right into that one. I accept responsibility, but it's all his fault. Sorry, that one was from yet another thread.

 

[rodbolt]

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its really hard to tell how Rush would do as a politician. I dont know him personnally just by the occasional radio show. I have no idea if he is like his radio persona in real life. if he is he probably wont make a very effective polititian but I dont think he could do any worse than some I have watched over the past 26 years or so. if the biggest scandal they could hang on him was the prescription fraud thing he would be ahaed of a bunch of them .

 

[dogsdad]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

JasonJ, not a good idea to compare the 50s and 60s to the present time? Why not, don't like what it reveals? Maybe you would like to snap your fingers and make history a non-existant concept? I guess I should not be surprised...that's what the left does, day in and day out, whatever the issue.<br /><br />The problem has become worse because of the widespread knowledge that America would not enforce immigration laws. Mass arrests and deportations coupled with a no-nonsense demonstration of will to protect the borders is all that's needed to put the brakes on the whole thing.<br /><br />I'd swear some space alien is using some kind of mind-control ray gun that makes some Americans think we just have to give up, let Mexico overrun us, and let the rest of the world chew up what's left.<br /><br />Cuando van ustedes a comprender la verdad?

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

Dogsdad, I am not saying we should give up. Try not to think so black-and-white. If I had my way, the borders would be closed, we would drill for and create our own energy, and tell the rest of the wolrd that hates us to go take a flying leap. But then I wake up and take a look around the real world, a world that does not fit neatly into the little cubbyholes some people seem to think it does. We do need to do something about the borders, we need to do a lot of things. The problem is our current administration attacks these problems with a sledgehammer when we really should have used surgical precision. <br /><br />There is too much of a Reagan mentality. We will not be able to out-spend the terrorists or the Mexicans like we did the Soviets. We need to be smart, and precise about what we do. This is not happening, and if you step back and look at the big picture, you will see it. We have spent too much money, we are spread too thin, and it will bite us in the butt. The 50s and 60s is an alien environment compared to today. To compare today to then is like comparing the Moon to Jupiter. <br /><br />Do not underestimate the desperation our neighbors from the south are living under. You seem to forget the great lengths the East Germans went to to get into West Germany. They risked being shot on sight, yet they still did it. Have you ever beed to the DMZ that divides north and south Korea? You can't get too much more of a show of force than that, yet North Koreans go to huge lengths to get south, despite the guards, minefields, gun emplacements. <br /><br />So you see, we need to come up with smart solutions, not just impotent sledgehammer blows.

 

[blade_x]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> I followed a few threads about a certain radio talk host and it seems that some people take his words very serious.<br />Could it be that with all the publicity Rush is creating for himself,he is actually preparing a spring board to launch himself into the political arena?He certainly has enough ego and his sense of right and wrong would do just fine in politics.<br />No judgement on this end,maybe some trolling to have reading entertainment,but mostly just curiosity.<br />And in case you wondered,it is not ad hominum.

I seriously doubt it. Hes talked about this exact thing many times over the years when people have asked him to run for public office. He totally realizes that financial success doesnt equate to political success. I would vote for him if he ran but that will never happen.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by JasonJ:<br /> <br />Do not underestimate the desperation our neighbors from the south are living under. You seem to forget the great lengths the East Germans went to to get into West Germany. They risked being shot on sight, yet they still did it. Have you ever beed to the DMZ that divides north and south Korea? You can't get too much more of a show of force than that, yet North Koreans go to huge lengths to get south, despite the guards, minefields, gun emplacements. <br /><br />So you see, we need to come up with smart solutions, not just impotent sledgehammer blows.

A huge difference in both cases Jason. The ones that got/get thru are a dribble. We are facing an overwhelming flood. And a flood from a group of people who have no intention of joining our culture. They want to bring their culture of failure with them.

 

[artburr]

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Does anyone not see the irony? We took the southwest United States from Mexico by force. Now they are getting it back. Same way the Indians. We pushed them out and now they are getting rich preying on our weaknesses. So who is the purer of heart in these matters.

 

[artburr]

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And as for Limbaugh, he couldn't even make it on TV. How could handle a campaign?

 

[rodbolt]

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boomyal<br /> the many I have delt with since the mid seventies actually wish to join our culture while not forgetting theirs, similar to my forfathers when they arrived in the carolinas in the 1740's. however we cannot absorb the amount that cross illegally sometimes. <br /> this problem did not start here nor will it end here. walls are not a solution either. <br /> I think a solution,even though it will take a bit of time, is to apply more influence on the mexican govt. <br /> maybe when were done stabilizing the middle east we can stabilize mexico.<br /> in the interim we do need to crack down on those that hire any undocumented workers.<br /> a good start will be the agri business and the resturaunt business.<br /> make the fine for first offense of illegals on the payroll,cash or otherwise, a 10,000 dollar fine and a one year minimum mandatory jail sentance. the second offense will be forfiture of the business and its assets. third area will be the construction industry with about the same penalty guidelines.<br /> also we can institute a rewards program for people turning in folks in non compliance. 2000 dollars to the informant that has a tip that leads to the arrest and conviction of anyone hiring any undocumented worker.<br /> we can offer free buss rides back to mexico for anyone that needs it, or back to honduras or china or wherever.<br /> I think Rush would support this but not most his constituients . <br /> how many americans do you know that will follow the apple crop,bean crop,berry crop,grape crop cabbage,brocolli and lettuce crops or even melon crops all the while when barely making a living with no healthcare and no home nor hope for the kids yet its still better than what they had back home?<br />its just a fact we need the cheap labor, no other way around it. however we need to have a method of processing and tracking that labor.<br /> seems the outdated system we have now is to bogged down in its own weight to effectivly move.<br /> while Rush and other talking heads enjoy the entertainment, I even do occasionally, its just a fact that quite a bit of the illegals actually work. the framing crew I was on in the early 80's in Texas had about 20 of them. out of about 40 of us there were maybe 25 that showed up on time everytime,worked a full day, did not dissapear at lunch on payday and showed up sober with no hangovers and did not toke weed on the job. the illegals were all among the 25 or so.<br /> its the same here. most my customers in the construction and resturaunt trades that deal with both documented and undocumented workers all say the same thing. with the mexicans ya get a full day of sober work out of them and they show up on time everytime.<br /> even the few employees I tried seemed to rather surf than work. on good surf days I knew before opening which workers would be in and which would not.<br /> so while this has been a bit off topic its something I have heard Rush make comments about before. seems no one on his shows ever ask the hard questions though.

 

[dogsdad]

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[kenimpzoom]

Re: Is limbaugh preparing for the big times??

I'n case you havent noticed, Rush is in the entertainment and money making business. Nothing wrong with that, but he would never last in the political arena.<br /><br />What he needs to do is recruit and endorse politicians for a new political party.<br /><br />I probably wouldnt vote for them, just an idea.<br /><br />Ken

 

[POINTER94]

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Let me get this straight, calling a liberal a liberal is hate speech. As far as I know, liberal isn't a dirty word. It refers to anyone leaning left of center to include democrats, socialists, communists, even some republicans, and the like. And calling Bush a LIAR is just freedom of expression? <br /><br />Chelsey Clinton didn't have any stories written about her as a professional courtesy, nor any previous first family, but you propose bombs away on the Bush family. Fair and balanced? Where did you hear about binge drinking? Must have been the press.... The simple mention of the twins would show a bias. This is an example of the subtleties JB alluded to.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

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Rodbolt...typical liberal statement "...we need to stabalize Mexico" WHY SHOULD WE ? How about enforcing the laws of the US ? How about putting our wishes and goals first ? What is different about now versus back then.....did we ever have banks, businesses and even government offices using another language ? I for one am sick and tired of being bombarded with Spanish......This is America....we speak english....learn it !

 

[dogsdad]

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Waterone, you're just going to get yourself the same kind of response as I always get---an entire reportoire of anti-Bush, anti-conservative buzzwords and a whole lot of half-truths irrelevant to the subject.