is it true that biaxle cloth and epoxy is way stronger then poly?

lime4x4

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Redoing the transom and stringers on my 86 searay cruiser. The poly that was in there was 1/2 inch thick at spots. I figure 2 to 3 layers of 1708 biaxle cloth will be alot stronger then what was there
 

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Re: is it true that biaxle cloth and epoxy is way stronger then poly?

It depends on what type of glass was used to start with. If it was just chop (random fiber about 1 inch long) and no woven or stitched fabrics, then yes a 2 or 3 layers of 1708 will be stronger.

Epoxy is stronger...will it make a difference in the final product....not really. You will save a few pounds, but it most likely wouldn?t add up to enough weight to make a difference.

Most of the time I just tell people to replace it with the same products it was originally made with because the glass and resin normally held up for around 30 years of use just fine, usually the wood rotted away from unsealed screw holes or other types of poor workmanship.

The resin choice just comes down to what the owner feels comfortable with.
 

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Re: is it true that biaxle cloth and epoxy is way stronger then poly?

It was just chopped fiberglass. It looked that way anyway. I went with epoxy mainly for it's ease of use and no odor. Plus i read that epoxy sticks better to poly resin
 

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Re: is it true that biaxle cloth and epoxy is way stronger then poly?

It was just chopped fiberglass. It looked that way anyway. I went with epoxy mainly for it's ease of use and no odor. Plus i read that epoxy sticks better to poly resin

On some materials it does. Plastics and such, but wood polyester resin and mat is going to be as strong as anything you can put on there. Plus the cost will be much cheaper and will dry faster. I wouldn't use epoxy unless necessary.
 

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Re: is it true that biaxle cloth and epoxy is way stronger then poly?

On some materials it does. Plastics and such, but wood polyester resin and mat is going to be as strong as anything you can put on there. Plus the cost will be much cheaper and will dry faster. I wouldn't use epoxy unless necessary.

Epoxy sticks better on all materials, period. That's just the chemistry of the stuff. There are some things it won't stick to like polyethylene or wet wood, but in any case where epoxy won't stick, poly won't either.

Using a good quality cloth and epoxy on wood is significantly stronger in a composite panel than poly resin and mat. Whether you need that strength is hard to tell for most people. If you're just using the mat to protect against abrasion, then it won't matter.

It's like someone making a ballpoint pen.. it'll work the same if it's made out of plastic, wood, steel, or titanium. Only if you're planning on also using it as a piton for rock climbing do you need to consider titanium or steel.

Likewise you may not need to use epoxy, depending on what you do with your boat, how strong the boat is after repairs, and whether or not it's designed for performance as opposed to general use.

The reason I like to recommend epoxy for amateur boat builders is that it's forgiving... if you have a surface that's accidentally (or due to ignorance) not properly prepped for glassing, poly may not stick hard enough to it to make a good lamination, but epoxy almost certainly will. So if you botch 50% of a critical joint or you don't fully saturate the cloth on your stringers or transom, using epoxy means you may be safe anyway.

Also, epoxy is more waterproof than poly resin. Both need glass to avoid cracking, as mentioned.

Erik
 
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