Iraq War

txswinner · May 30, 2006

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Roger that PW

QC · May 30, 2006

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The WTC atrocity changed the way we view the world and our safety and frankly freedom itself. That is why it is forever connected to Iraq. The thought was that Iraq had WMD (believed by most International and American experts, leaders, amateurs, you name it). 9/11 made it clear that evil doers will resort to ANYTHING. As I always say, no rewind button, so the current lack of proof of WMD in Iraq has no bearing whatsoever on the decision to go. For those of you who believe we should not have gone into Iraq due to the lack of WMD, please let me know what Crystal Ball model and manufacturer you use. I'd like to get me one . . .

Saddam and 9/11 will be forever linked due to the Calendar. Not necessary or required to have a direct connection, just an understanding that those with bad stuff, can and will give them to bad people. We have and we don't desire that any of our stuff end up in evil hands. Just think what would happen if we wanted to help Iran obliterate Israel . . .

JB · May 30, 2006

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Not SPL OPS, TXS. Covert ops. I don't think there was any SPL OPS at that time. We were trained based on what was learned in Korea, not Nam. Each of us had a "normal" assignment with the possibility of needing to do recon or intel gathering outside of our usual duties. No black BDUs or any of that. My assignment was Flight Radioman on R6D (C118), including, when needed, the crew that flew ADM Stump (CINCPAC) around the world for various meetings. Once used about 5% of what I was trained for. Then I was sent back stateside for Instructor duty.

rodbolt · May 30, 2006

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QC I digress on the WMD lies. the isreali's pretty much took out all the reasearch reactors the US and french sold saddam in the mid 80's, desert storm finnished the rest. the amount of electricity alone could not ,and still isnt, be generated in Iraq. and yes we monitored it. most of the midlevel techinical folks bailed out in 92. they left the top level that could not leave and the juy sweeping the floor that could not fix a light switch. a weapons, or even a peaceful nuke program requires tremendous amounts of electricity,concrete. various metals made by quality smelting by specialized techs. the machine shop work alone was beyond the Iraqi capeability by 94. to make a WMD facility from the ground up actually take more than a breifcase full of papers and a dream. takes several thousand very well trained and motivated workers from many varied fields. by 94 that did not exist in sufficient numbers in Iraq, thats how most of us dont wont be blindly lead knew that there was no active program there just some saber rattling that could largly be ignored. if they had existed why did the current admin have to cherry pick so much data? Had W said we are going to obliterate saudi arabia I would have supported it, not Iraq, wrong country,wrong war. while so far there is no credible connection to Iraq for 9/11 there is a lot of credible evidence other countries, most notably saudi, was/is sponsering the group. just as I am confident that should Iran attempt a weapons program the Israeli air force will fly again. only they wont attempt any idiotic regime changes. they will take out whats nessasary,say sorry, and go back home. but the more I read about the Haditha incident and now some Isolated other incidents I just pray its all wrong. if the marines,however isolated ,did what they are accused of it may be a rallying cry for centuries. killing granny's and babys isnt really that honourable. thats why we train, heck if the average insurgent had half the training the average US military personell they would be very deadly. however they are not and waste to many resources.

demsvmejm · May 30, 2006

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom: War is hell, never been a clean one. They are all sad. Your right, it was unnecessary. All Saddam had to do was let the UN inspect everything and abide by the UN rules.

That's all? Naw!!! King George would have found another reason to go in. He wanted this war, regardless of what he had to do to get it. He had to have "War President" as his legacy. Very short-sighted in my mind.

PW2 · May 31, 2006

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David, I tend to agree with you that W wanted this war, but the motive for that is still unclear to me. I think he was sold a bill of goods from the neo-cons in his administration, who had recommended this action as far back as 1997. Personally I think he really believes in the course of action he took, and naively bought into the projections of his advisors that we could do this on the cheap and still achieve the desired results. Some of us, both in this country and around the world, knew better. So it goes.

markvan · May 31, 2006

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there is a huge difference between a war faught to defend invaders of your country and going overseas to start a war we think we have to be the big brothers to the rest of the world that cant defend themselves......and who ultimatly pays the price...we do Do you really think this is a war we can win, what has to happen for it to be over. For every 1 terrorist we kill 10 more are waiting to sign up. There are a countless number of them that are prepared to blow themselves up in the hopes that they might take one or more of us with them, how do you overcome that mentallity?

QC · May 31, 2006

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Originally posted by Walleye Warrior: There are a countless number of them that are prepared to blow themselves up in the hopes that they might take one or more of us with them, how do you overcome that mentallity?

You kill them over there. For every 100 that blow themselves up there is 1 that maybe could do it here . . .

18rabbit · May 31, 2006

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Originally posted by QC: The WTC atrocity changed the way we view the world and our safety and frankly freedom itself.

Including the loss of freedom. The problem I have is with the rapid, unnecessary erosion of the personal liberties (freedoms) that we value above all else, that made this country worth dying for, we move ever closer to life in a country that may no longer be worth defending, not worth dying for.

markvan · Jun 1, 2006

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QC think about how many of them there are, these people are taught at an early age to basically hate the US, and when we can't "kill them over there" even close to the same rate they are growing their population how will it ever end? Do you really believe that when we finally find Bin Laden it will be over, not a chance. I think we have a better chance at solving the problem by focusing our efforts in our own back yard.

18rabbit · Jun 1, 2006

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Originally posted by Walleye Warrior: ... and when we can't "kill them over there" even close to the same rate they are growing their population how will it ever end? Do you really believe that when we finally find Bin Laden it will be over, not a chance.

The way I see it, the answer is extreme. You have to remember why the Russians lined up the Czars family and machine gunned him and all of his childrenbecause if a single child remained alive it left something for believers in the royal family to latch onto; any heir to the throne was a threat to the new socialist government. By killing everyone they assured there would never be another throne. I think it is the same with Islamism. We need to go to every corner of the world, look under every rock, behind every tree, inside every hole and obliterate every vestige, every icon, every mosk, every writing, all of it, leaving nothing. And we need to eradicate at the very least all male Muslims. Only then can the world begin to rationally expect to be safe from that sick and twisted theology. If we leave anything behind, someday someone will pick it up and come to the same conclusion as Bin Laden.

txswinner · Jun 1, 2006

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Wow 18 you really make sense on this last two post.

DJ · Jun 1, 2006

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PW2 wrote:

I tend to agree with you that W wanted this war, but the motive for that is still unclear to me.

1. Saddam put out a "contract" on W's fathers head. That's reason enough. 2. Hussein ties to OBL are noted/documented and factual. 3. WMD's were there. Let's not kid ourselves. The convoys going to Syria were/are documented. Some say "why not attack Syria"? Easy, Syria didn't have control of them (WMD's), Hussein did. 4. Iraq is a place to start to clean up the Middle East. As good a place as any. Too many American sycophants HATE Isreal/Jews so much, any power given to them would have been seen as "unsettling". A "PC" term. I can/could never undertstand Americans hatred toward the Jews/Isreal. I guess it's media driven. My contacts in the middle east are dumbfounded by the negativity of the American press toward Iraq progress. We're being fed a line people. And, we're eating it. When 95% of the press core admits to voting one party, that is NOT objective, by any stretch.

markvan · Jun 1, 2006

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Originally posted by 18rabbit: we need to eradicate at the very least all male Muslims. Only then can the world begin to rationally expect to be safe from that sick and twisted theology. If we leave anything behind, someday someone will pick it up and come to the same conclusion as Bin Laden.

Are you saying all Male Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorist? there are 1.3 billion Muslims world wide, say half are males do you honestly believe we can eradicate 650 million male muslims. We can't even find Bin Laden but somehow we are supposed to eradicate every male muslim and somehow that will allow the world to rationally begin to feel safe. Was the Unibomer Muslim, what about Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols. By your same rationalization we should have eradicated every German because Hitler was German.

DJ · Jun 1, 2006

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we need to eradicate at the very least all male Muslims. Only then can the world begin to rationally expect to be safe from that sick and twisted theology. If we leave anything behind, someday someone will pick it up and come to the same conclusion as Bin Laden.

That kind of talk is truly worrysome.

The US is still a Shining Star (although we're trying desperately to extinguish it) that all look up to. Thinking that way makes my spine convulse. Yikes. Answers: 1. We PUNISH those that hurt us. No questions asked. We will find them and deal with them-period. 2. We SECURE our borders.

QC · Jun 1, 2006

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Originally posted by 18rabid: Including the loss of freedom.

Name one freedom that you have lost. I can if you need some help. I have lost the freedom to drive my boat on a trailer over Parker Dam. The difference is I know who took it from me . . .

DJ · Jun 1, 2006

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QC, Yes you do know who took it from you. May I remind? 1. Enviro-whacko groups. 2. Bureaucrats with NO clue. 3. Special interest groups. Since nobody votes anymore (except illegals and indigents) we have only ourselves to blame. We are: overtaxed, overstressed, overworked. So, we let idiot bureaucrats make all of our decisions for us=stupid. BTW, I disagree with a recent statement by JB. He mentioned "overworked bureaucrats". I've never met one. I deal with the Gov't on a daily basis.

markvan · Jun 1, 2006

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well said DJ --- not sure that All look up to us but none the less well said

DJ · Jun 1, 2006

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WW, We are "freaks" in todays world because: -we give a damn. -we vote. -we believe in personal responsibility.

QC · Jun 1, 2006

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Yeah, those guys too DJ, but I was specifically referring to Islamo-fascists . . . as it was a security measure begun after 9/11

I also had to go through a security checkpoint last week before crossing Hoover, oh and the enviro-whackos made this Saturday the first day this year that I could pilot my boat up to the bottom of Hoover . . . They also keep the jet fleas out of there, so they accidentally get something right every once in a while . . . oh, wait, I can only go when the fleas are allowed . . . hmmmmmmmmm

Anybody want to guess what this is?

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