Maybe the Devil has blinded them aka LubeDude!Originally posted by Bassin' Fever AKA LubeDude:<br /> Truer words were never spoken Boommer! It just amazes me why the left doesnt see it. Seems that they are incapable of seeing the truth!
<br /><br />The following is a little history on Lindzen<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------<br />Dr. Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a global warming skeptic. <br /><br />His academic research involves studies of the role of the tropics in mid-latitude weather and global heat transport, the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of climate sensitivity. [1] (http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm) He has published numerous papers regarding meteorologic and atmospheric topics. [2] (http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/PublicationsRSL.html) <br /><br />Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was very critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." [3] (http://dieoff.org/page82.htm) <br /><br />In November 2004, climate change skeptic Richard Lindzen was quoted saying he'd be willing to bet that the earth's climate will be cooler in 20 years than it is today. When British climate researcher James Annan contacted him, however, Lindzen would only agree to take the bet if Annan offered a 50-to-1 payout. Subsequent offers of a wager were also refused by Pat Michaels, Chip Knappenberger, Piers Corbyn, Myron Ebell, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Sherwood Idso and William Kininmonth. At long last, however, Annan has persuaded Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev to take a $10,000 bet. "There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement," Annan says. "A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension." [4] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1552092,00.html) <br /><br />[edit]Other SourceWatch resources<br />Climate change <br />Climate change sceptics <br />--------------------------------------------------
Yup. But keep in mind that at one point a single volcano is believed to have been responsible for bring the human population of the entire world down to something like an estimated 3000 people. The implication being there is lots of room for people to mess things up a real whole bunch and still not be as bad as a volcano.<br /><br />You know that saying; dont excrete where you eat. Well, this isnt rocket science; global warning or not, messing up where you live probably isnt a good idea. Reference Kyoto Japan 50 years ago and the birth defects from there.<br /><br />I'm not buying into global warming, yet. Besides, if it were as bad as the knee-jerk alarmist would have us believe we are past the point of no return and all life on Earth is already doomed. We might as well go out with a hell of big party!<br />
That may be a true statement. We CAN'T destroy the Earth, but we can make it miserable to live on. Agreed. One of my points is that it is NOT a FAIR or level playing field.<br /><br />The USA and Western Europe have/are/done/doing everything within our power to quell polution. The USA is one heck of allot cleaner than it was in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Man's collective memory is VERY short.<br /><br />On the other hand, our economic rivals (Eastern Rim) "developing countries" could give a damn about polution. It ISN'T IN THEIR PLANS to deal with it. They have a huge resource of people of which the leaders care NOT A WIT about. It's pure economics/power.<br /><br />We (US) are strangled with regulation, not only environmental, but legal.<br /><br />The Western countries have found effective ways to deal with polution from manufacturing and research. Our rivals have not and will not.<br /><br />While we struggle to survive, with nooses around our necks, we'll be surpassed as a Superpower.<br /><br />In the "collective" mindset, that is a good thing. Not in mine.<br /><br />BTW, Global Warming is just as much of an issue as to what political leaning you have. Scientific fact points both ways. We only hear (mostly) one side.<br /><br />I have a hard time believing that in my 47 years, on this planet, that we went from worrying about the next ice age to an overheated planet. My 47 years isn't even a blink on the scale. But, my objective is NOT TO DESTROY western dominance. For many, it is.
If nothing else has been proven, at least we know this, the only scientist that are willing to go on record in questioning global warming are in the back pockets of the fossil fuel industries. As with Richard Lindzen.<br /><br /><br />DJ,<br /><br />After doing a little searching on the effects of volcanoes, I found something that might interest you. Apparently the tiny particles that volcanoes spew into the air keep the sun's rays from reaching the earth and contribute to global cooling. The greenhouse gases emitted into the air from man burning fossil fuels keep the warm air from escaping into the atmosphere. Thus contributing to global warming. Your use of volcanoes to debunk global warming is somewhat analogous to Ronald Reagan using trees emitting carbon dioxide into the air to debunk air pollution.Amen to that! But you can do your part to help usher in global communism and the redistribution of wealth, um, I mean reduce pollution, by supporting the Kyoto Treaty...<br /><br />Yeah, right! Just what America's economy needs right now; garroting by pollution credits.
<br /><br />Seems the sales are off 23% for the toyota prius for the same time period. Where is the government?
