Inboard vs. I/O

[Dakota47]

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New boat sales has been very poor this year,, you can pick up a New Bayliner 175 with the Merc 3.0 alpha for $12,500 . The 185 With the 4.3 V-6 its $15,800,, now thats a great deal, and the Quality is getting better at Bayliner,, so i hear..

 

[aggiedave98]

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I would check it out- you pay tax on the trailer because it is titled. Unless Texas titles the boat- all you do is change the registration with the State Wildlife department

hmmm... this looks like you do have to pay it in texas...

http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/boat/boatfaq.html

 

[chaparral442]

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Still check it out-- NOTICE it says every RETAIL sell- if you buy it from an individual that would be considered a personal sale and not retail-- Louisiana law reads the same way but when buying a boat from an individual and not a dealer there is no sale tax paid except on the trailer

 

[magster65]

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In Canada we pay a provincial sales tax of 6% for used items payable upon registration and a new purchase is subject to that plus another 7% goods and services tax.
What a great deal

 

[aggiedave98]

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Still check it out-- NOTICE it says every RETAIL sell- if you buy it from an individual that would be considered a personal sale and not retail-- Louisiana law reads the same way but when buying a boat from an individual and not a dealer there is no sale tax paid except on the trailer

Wow, great catch!!! That's exciting. A big benefit to buy it used!! I think I'll look for a 2-3 year old boat from somebody that though boating would be great but only used it a handful of times...

THANKS!!!

 

[WildH2Oskier]

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I am a freshwater lake person. I ski a lot, my family piddles with it and my friends ride. I've had 2 I/O boats and I will never have another one. For me the straight inboard is the only way to go.
As for the skiing weather you are a beginner or a pro it does not matter. You will enjoy it more behind a legitimate ski boat. You will progress faster and have a much easier time teaching others starting from scratch.
There is no tilt and trim to have to fool with. Therefore there is no tilt and trim to breakdown.
In 25+ years of straight inboard ownership I have managed to ding 1 prop. But then again I anchor just off of the sandbars that everyone else runs up on.
Fuel consumption is bad on any boat unless its a sail boat but if I can stay out of the 4 barrel (There is no sound sweeter than a V-8 playing on the water) I do just about as good as most I/Os.
I would recommend that you take a look at a Moomba Outback for a good combination of cost,power, comfort, room and the hmmmmm factor that makes us all love boats.
Again don't listen to the naysayers on here or anywhere else that put down the straight drive inboard design until you have actually ridden in, driven and played behind one. The easiest way to get a person with an I/O in the 18-22 foot range to sell their boat is let them spend a day in an inboard.

 

[45Auto]

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The easiest way to get a person with an I/O in the 18-22 foot range to sell their boat is let them spend a day in an inboard.

Interesting observations. I've noticed the exact opposite effect. Everybody I knew with straight inboards (one Moomba, one Tige, one Ski-Nautique) sold them for an I/O after running with other boats. They got tired of being 20 MPH slower than everyone else, sold their skiboats and bought an I/O that vastly outperformed the skiboat for half the price.

The skiboats are great for dedicated skiers/wakeboarders, etc, but they are at least twice the price and can't come close to the performance of either an outboard or I/O.

 

[QC]

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Three year old thread on Friday . . . but I get sucked in too

I'm with 45. Unless you boat on very flat water or honestly need tournament style boats then true inboards are kind of a joke IMHO. Less efficient, slower and the hulls are rough riding. Other than that they're great.

 

[45Auto]

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Three year old thread on Friday

LMAO - well that sucked! Sucked me right in too! I just went straight to page 2 because I figured the first page was all the same old stuff anyway. WildH2oSkier's post was at the top of the page with today's date on it so I figured it was a new thread!

 

[WildH2Oskier]

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As I said I am a freshwater inland boater. Why I would need a boat that is 20-25 mph faster (putting my boat in the 65-70 mph range) is beyond me. I would just go ahead and get a 90 mph bass boat if speed was all boating is about. They ride no rougher to me than any I/O in this size range that I've been in. And while you can spend less money on an I/O you are getting what you pay for. Again I am not here to cause arguments nor to put down any ones boat of choice but rather to voice my opinion based on my observations.
Let us agree to disagree and meet down @ the the sandbar around dock and have a shrimp boil.

 

[WildH2Oskier]

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One question though 45 you said they bought an i/o that out performed their boats at 1/2 the price.
What are you basing "out performed" on? Again I'm not here to argue or anything just to talk boats with other boat nuts and that struck me as an interesting direction for an old thread to discuss. (I didn't notice the date when I reopened it)

 

[45Auto]

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What are you basing "out performed" on?

The same things QC pointed out. The I/O's (or outboards) are faster, more fuel efficient, and are much more comfortable in any kind of chop. Just inherent characteristics due to the adjustable drive angle and deeper V of the hull as opposed to an inboard ski boat. All of the skiers, wakeboarders, kneeboarders, and tubers that I associate with just want to slide around on the water and hop and jump around. They're not very picky what the wake looks like.

The inboards have some definite advantages: they turn quicker, the bow stays down, they plane almost instantly, they'll hold plane at a lower speed, they have a flat wake, and a skier can't pull them around. If you're a competitive skier then these things matter. If you're not, like 99.99% of the skiers out there, then they are irrelevent.

Boaters around here tend to move around between New Orleans, Slidell, Mandeville, and the East Pearl River. Kind of a square with 30-40 mile sides. Running along in the ski boat at 40 MPH with the engine screaming at 5,000 RPM and pounding in 6 inch waves apparently gets old pretty quick. Quote from an owner review of a 2008 Moomba Outback:

We are able to run over rough(er) water than most ski boats because of the wakeplate...Although I don't recommend running in anything more than a 12" chop, because it can get simply violent.

Most people I see out on boats prefer to be able to go out in a 12" chop without their boat being "simply violent". If your local conditions and usage are always on smooth water, the inboard would be fine.

There is also a small local pond that belongs to the waterski club here. It's probably a mile long and half a mile wide. They have their ski-jump, slalom course, etc, permanantly set up there. They also have 5 or 6 boats that are stored there in garages. The ONLY kind of boats I've ever seen there are dedicated inboard skiboats.

Both types of boats have their advantages, it's just been my experience that the advantages of an inboard skiboat apply to a much smaller percentage of the population.

 

[Beefer]

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All other things aside, one of the things I don't like about an inboard, is trying to steer in reverse. I found it to be nearly impossible to get the thing where I wanted it to go. This was an old '55 or '56 Jersey skiff, don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it drove me nuts in reverse.

 

[QC]

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Yeah, 45 sums this up pretty well. I boat on some large lakes and we even get 3 foot "chop". I got rid of a 20 foot I/O that rode smoother than most Inboards because I was getting the ship kicked out of me. For me, a 20 degree bottom and 22' ft. is a minimum. I LOVE all boats, even ugly ones. I have a 14ft. tinny with a 5 hp Briggs, embarrassingly loud etc. Love that boat. Buuutttt, there are good boats and bad boats for a lot of conditions. For family lake cruising when there is much more than a ripple most I/B water sport boats are just less comfortable and less flexible.

I remember watching a water skiing exhibition at Sea World when I was a kid. The driver of the ski boat ended the show after all of the skiers were off. He came into this tiny lagoon where the stands were arranged looking out over Mission Bay (San Diego), spun the thing on a dime and as it settled he stood up and waved to everybody. It was so cool, so precise, so perfect as an end to the show and I've never forgotten it. For that, a tournament boat was flippin' perfect. My boat would've been in the stands and there would've been blood and guts everywhere

 

[WildH2Oskier]

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Its all cool. But now on to another pressing matter. I live on a small free flowing river here. Its too small and rocky for any sort of motorized watercraft but it is primo for canoes and kayaks. I've got a canoe but have decided I need to get me one of those kayaky things. I don't want to put a lot of money in it since.... well its a kayak and if its any fun I'll be on the hook to buy a couple more. I know absolutely zero about them and I figured that someone on here ought to be able to point me in a good direction.

 

[ezmobee]

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Kayak = Craigslist. There's TONS of them on there. I would just find a cheap one to try out and see if you like it. Then if you do, you can look into something more specific.

 

[aggiedave98]

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I was just going through some old posts and re-read all these. Thanks again for everybody that posted! In August 2007, I bought a used 2004 Starcraft Stardeck 21.5ft I/O with the Volvo Penta 5.0L carbed (the carb part was the only part I didn't like given I used to rebuilt my old carb one a year). But I've had it 5 seasons now and love it. It's a fish and ski, very open.

Thanks again for all the input, almost 5 years later!!

 

[coastalrichard]

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In Canada we pay a provincial sales tax of 6% for used items payable upon registration and a new purchase is subject to that plus another 7% goods and services tax.
What a great deal

Whoa...how do you say ouch in French?

EDIT: yeah, I'm dumb too