In defence of the poor

Tinkrrr

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> The main problem is that how do you get good kids who will follow these three things if the parents are loosers themselves.<br /><br />Ken
Mate, right now I'm more worried about kids who I think have reasonably good parents. Being my kids. Not to mention the kids they hang around with whose parents are about as good or bad as us.<br /><br />Anybody can go wrong.<br /><br />To take one example, which I think I'm free from, drug use in wealthy,two parent families might be worse proportionately than in poor, single parent families. I don't know. I'll never find out for sure. Poor kids don't have the connections that avoid charges or convictions. The published figures might be skewed by factors that affect what gets published.<br /><br />People who have gone wrong can come good.<br /><br />I'm not a Christian but, as I've said in other posts on various topics, Christ's teachings are self-evidently commendable. I mention them because of the Christians who express their views on this board, but not always with the charity, compassion and understanding I'd expect of them.<br /><br />A couple of things at the heart of Christ's teachings (which Muslims accept, and so do Jews and other beliefs although not from the same source), which appeal to people like me on plain humanitarian grounds, are the notions that nobody is beyond redemption and that we should all seek to help people who have done wrong to redeem themselves. <br /><br />These things are for sure: <br /><br />- If we deny people who have stuffed up the opportunity to redeem themselves, they will be forced to the bad margins of society and will be a problem for all of us. <br /><br />-If we include people who are potential problems in the community and help them to become useful members of the community we shall all benefit.<br /><br />Those things are all simple, but not easy to do. Especially for the people whose lives we wish to change. <br /><br />If we don't do them, things will only get worse.
 

jtexas

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Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> We can eliminate poverty here in the USA if people would do all three things.<br /><br />1. Graduate from high school<br />2. No children until they are married<br />3. No Marriage until they are 21<br />
Then we wouldn't live in America anymore.<br /><br />
Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /><br />The main problem is that how do you get good kids who will follow these three things if the parents are loosers themselves.<br /><br />
That's the problem all right.<br /><br />
Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /><br />There are only three solutions:<br />1)Mandatory sterilization<br />2)Removal of children from the looser parents<br />3)No more free ride. You dont work, you die (as in any 3rd world country)<br />
True, you have identified three possibilities.<br /><br />
Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /><br />I prefer #3 how bout yall?<br /><br />Ken
Sorry, allowing children to starve to death when there's something I could do about it is against my religion.<br /><br />Hate to shoot down all your ideas when I have none of my own, but I'm afraid it's back to the drawing board.
 

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This will get flamed for sure...<br /><br />The "poor" in this country have no idea what "poor" really is. You wanna see poor, go <br />to Uganda, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia. There are many more examples in Central America as well. Those people would kill to be "Poor" in this country. Indeed they are dying... literally... trying to get here, illegally if necessary. <br /><br />Look, for 40 years we have been waging the "War on Poverty" in this country. There have been billions of dollars thrown at it. And today we are no better off. An argument can be made quite to the contrary.
 

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well i cant type this up in depth but problem number 1 is that school is far from equal in this country<br /><br />on long island its really glaring in that we have private public schools more or less<br /><br />in distric A they have and olympic swimming pool and all the things that go with it<br /><br />in distric B the building is falling down and there luckey to have books<br /><br />there all NYS public schools ? under the same system<br /><br />guess who goes were <br /><br />buts it OK because we can afford to pay more so are children should have a better PUBLIC school :confused: and it goes on and on<br /><br />but child B gets the shaft from day 1<br /><br />tommays
 

Tinkrrr

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /> well i cant type this up in depth but problem number 1 is that school is far from equal in this country<br /><br />but child B gets the shaft from day 1<br /><br />tommays
Not at all. <br /><br />Any more than it does here, or in any other country.<br /><br />All children have the same opportunity to go to crap schools.<br /><br />All schools have the opportunity to be crap.<br /><br />It's pure coincidence that the crap schools, no matter how good their teachers and how committed their parents and students, just happen to be in "poor" areas. <br /><br />It's pure coincidence how, here anyway, house prices in the catchment areas for the really good government schools are excessive because parents want to buy their kids a place in the school.<br /><br />Unless they're in a marginal electorate with crap schools where a government wants to suck up to them for a few votes.
 

Kiwi Phil

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KaGee, I'm not meaning to doubt what you said about African communities, but you don't want to know what is going on down here with our Aboriginies. I am actually speechless when trying to describe the situation. And ashamed.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

kenimpzoom

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Kwiw, is it similar to our Indian communties. Most are drunks living off the casinos money. Many are so bad off they drink lysol cause its cheap.<br /><br />Ken
 
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