I'm getting frustrated with these outboards...

[Mr. Ross]

Re: I'm getting frustrated with these outboards...

Thanks Rodbolt for the suggestion, waiting on the props and balancer parts then will perform further tests.

When I called the prop shop Tuesday, the owner told me that the props had already been worked on by a known "hammer mechanic" that purchased their old, outdated prop equipment. He had placed his stamping on the inside of the hub and they spotted it. Apparently the dealer had taken them over there prior to my taking deliver of the boat and he beat them to death. The engine running 6100 RPM is the one with the flattened blade. No way to visually tell what he did to the other one so they are scanning them to determine where they are currently at and will tune from there.

I called the selling dealer and asked if they use that particular shop and was told yes. Then I asked why my props were sent there and they denied any knowledge of it. So I will most likely never know. At this point, I'm not even certain that 17" is what should be on the boat, or if they did a swap-out with someone with damaged props, or who knows what.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: I'm getting frustrated with these outboards...

the only way to resolve your issues is run both engines on test wheel YB1626 or an engine dyno and compre the outputs.
if they are within 10% start playing with props until you have them turning about 5700-5900.
if they are not wthin 10% fix the engines.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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Getting closer Rodbolt. Selling dealer is in the mix now, ordering the correct props. The ones they stuck on the engines appear to be 15" starboard and 17" port according to the electronic scan, and then not uniform within themselves.

 

[rodbolt]

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and that would give you a 400-700 RPM difference at WOT.
doesnt sound like they used factory yamaha props.
some of the aftermarket props get skechty.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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and that would give you a 400-700 RPM difference at WOT.
doesnt sound like they used factory yamaha props.
some of the aftermarket props get skechty.

500 RPM difference and the props appear to be ones that were drastically altered and not uniform in their pitch with the cups being different between different blades on the same prop, not to mention different between props.

By the way, I read somewhere that the fuel bowl with the water sensor can be retrofitted to some of the older models (wire is already in the harness). Is that so?

 

[rodbolt]

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only way to retrofit yours is with a new ECM,wire harness and filter assy.
you can add the Yamaha water seperator or the racor with a water detect and splice into your existing alarm.
all your alarm wants is a ground path,its hot anytime the key is on and any ground path sets it off.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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Now runs great, for the first time since new. Both engines at 5800 RPM and handles much better to boot. My thanks to both Rodbolt and Yamaha factory support for standing behind their product.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: I'm getting frustrated with these outboards...

until you try to resell it.
then its gonna bomb.
ohter than that, simply enjoy it.

 

[Mr. Ross]

Re: I'm getting frustrated with these outboards...

until you try to resell it.
then its gonna bomb.
ohter than that, simply enjoy it.

You must be referring to the title? We don't have titles for outboard engines here so the engines are sold new and dated for year of sale, in my case (and many others) sold to boat manufacturer, packaged and resold as 2007 by dealer. If I ever want a title in another state, I can use the bill of sale to obtain that.

 

[rodbolt]

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fist thing I would do on the survey for a buyer is correctly Identify the motor.
then the seller/buyer conflict would start.
for banking and selling the yaer of manufacture is used,yours is a 2006 plain and simple.
\dont care what a dealer wrote on a piece of papaer its still an 06 production run.
labeled plain and clear on the stbd bracket.
the engine PID is used for identifying it for parts and service.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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Yes, in your state that is so. You would be a really busy guy in other states since titles are not required and engines are sold/registered based upon date of sale.

I'm curious, based upon the statement by Yamaha that they do not recognize date of manufacture as the "year of the engine", you must do something contrary to that in your state.

Directly from Yamaha:

Question
Why has the model year designation been eliminated from Yamaha Outboards?

Answer

Outboards do not change from one ?Model Year? to the next; therefore a ?Model Year? doesn?t communicate anything significant about the physical product.

Yamaha plans to introduce new products and upgrades to models on a continuous bases instead of only at the traditional ?model year change-over.? By eliminating the model year, Yamaha will be able to introduce new products (and upgrades) throughout the year, which means Yamaha will be better able to meet consumer needs in a fast changing market.

Additionally, dealers and boat builders are now better able to carry adequate inventory throughout the year because they won?t have to slim down inventory in advance of a new ?Model Year.? Therefore, there is a much better chance your dealer will have what you want, when you want it.

How do I fill out my titling information?

Most boaters won?t have to worry about this, as there are only six states (Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, Ohio and Missouri) that require titling. Yamaha provides an MSO (Manufacturer?s Statement of Origin) with every outboard. The MSO will no longer carry a ?model year? but will carry a production month/year for the outboard (ex. 04/2007). Because each titling state has different methods for titling outboards, please refer to your local title agency for the most up to date information regarding titling of outboards in the above mentioned states. Since most boat packages are valued in NADA , BUC and ABOS based on the make of boat and horsepower, not the specific year, make and model of the outboard the production date of the outboard doesn?t matter.

To put it most simply, the year of outboard manufacture printed on your title is simply a field used by the titling agency.

Thanks again for your concerns, take care and God Bless!!

 

[99yam40]

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If that is true then some one could take a never used 1990 motor on a 2010 boat and sell it as a new 2010 boat and motor?
Just does not sound right to me.
I would think that date of manufacture would play a very big part in the sale price.

 

[rodbolt]

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my state doesnt title outboards, so thats incorrect.
however if you go to the bank to finance the boat your asked for engine year and hull year and a lot of other silly questions.
the difference in an 06 and an 09 motor can be astounding.
its also called fraud to sell a motor as one year when its really not and labeled.
the year of production is NOT used for parts or service but it is for legal and financial documents.
the yamaha statement you posted wasnt copied well.
the reason the model year got dropped was for models that did not change or for models that had mid year running changes.
thats when seriel,PID, number breaks come into play.
all F250 motors in this PID range used part X all in the next range use part Y.
but the two ranges can be built in the same year.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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I took that right from Yamaha's website, sorry if it did not come out complete. A friend of mine sells Honda outboards and they do the same thing and if I am not mistaken, Evinrude just started doing it. Some of the 2006 inventory went out this spring as new 2010 engines, that I know.

 

[rodbolt]

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its simply not legal.
a dealer may do it but its simply not legal.
do a google search for NADA marine blue book.
compare an 06 F150 value to a 2010 F150 value.
thats what you can easily sue for plus any future value loss at resale.
if I bought a 2010 boat and it was advertised with a 2010 motor and I got it home and found out the motor was a new old stock 06 model someone would be having a disscussion with my attorney in the judges chamber.
from 06 to 2010 there were changes in the crank,2010 is stronger,changes in the balancer assy,2010 is redisighned and doesnt fail like the 06, and changes in the alarm,2010 has water detect and 06 did not.
few other minor changes as well.
thats why the seriel numbers keep breaking.

 

[Mr. Ross]

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Interesting, I'll check into that.