I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

[JimS123]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

I'm a young engineer and only had very limited field experience when I was much younger, probably too young to gather and store all that information.

The older, laborer types, do not like to listen to me when I have anything to say... afterall, I know nothing and am just some college educated nerd, who sits at a computer and has never done anything physical at all.

When I was in your shoes I was the ONLY wet-behind-the-ears college kid at the plant. Everybody else was an old timer, and they treated me the same way they treat you. But after about 10 years I had learned all their tricks and had invented a few of my own and then they treated me like a peer. Respect has to be earned.

Now, 40+ years later, the shoe is on the other foot. I'm alone again, but now I'm the old fart and everybody else is a young wetneck that knows it all. The young Engineers look to me for guidance, but the old laborer types are still leary.

Its not so much your age, but rather your position as an engineer. Nothing ever changes!

 

[25thmustang]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

It also doesn't bother me much, I fully understand there is a ton for me to learn, I just do my best to learn the most I can when I can!

 

[angus63]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

It also doesn't bother me much, I fully understand there is a ton for me to learn, I just do my best to learn the most I can when I can!

Your self-awareness and eagerness to grow already puts you at the front of the pack.

I am probably the "older laborer" engineer type you referred to, and I learned how to squeeze all of the functionality out of computers from all of the "nerd types" you mentioned while I shared my knowledge and experiences with the spectacled newcomers.

It takes a team and everyone has their bailywick.

 

[lexer440]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

I think it makes perfect sense, fuel squirt is ignited by hot exhaust, burns your butt, you jump off smartish and you KNOW there is something wrong and you will not ride it again till its fixed. Now, pass me the hammer....

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

Not certain what you are talking about,

My point was simply that the OP is pretty close to a JD bash and very light on any contact that you have had with anyone who might add something constructive.
For you simply to make-up some statistics is neither constructive nor an honest commentary.
"Several hundred fires"....oh, well...I guess you COULD have claimed "several thousand"...:facepalm:

John Deere has not had a recall for my issue,

Better reread my post.
There have been ZERO recorded complaints, of course there has been no recall. :facepalm:

and yes I did report the problem. Like you I wish more people would take the time to do it.

But to whom?
We know you reported it to DSC (not Non-boating Technical topics??)....
If you contacted a local dealer, there is no way to be sure that they uploaded it to JD.
If you actually reported the incident to the Government AHJ, there is no public record.
The counter is still stuck at zero.

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

First, I'd be willing to bet that if you asked 100 people who to file a complaint with 99 would have no idea other than their JD dealer. As to how many times it's happened, I did not go out and ask all 345 owners (roughly 45,000 by John Deer's count) but I have seen what others are saying via the internet. As to why my complaint doesn't show up. I have no idea but I suspect it takes a fair amount of time for it to happen. (I sent it via snail mail and included photos.)

Now put all that to the side, a single instance of dumping fuel on a hot exhaust is one too many. As I said, John Deere is obviously aware of the problem as they redesigned the fuel pump and include three pages of text and drawings explaining the problem, why it's important to install the modifications and how to do it safely.

As to JD bashing, re-read my original post. I was talking about how an engineer somewhere let this MAJOR fubar silde through the cracks. And yes, I DO consider it a major fubar and I believe anyone here would say the same if it happened to them. Well, except for you that is.

As Bruce said in an earlier post, without knowing how JD works internally, you really have no idea at all where this was missed....or by whom. Might have been a supply chain responsibility....contacted part etc etc.
To admit that you have no idea how many fires there really were, but, "gee, people are saying bad things on the internet...."
Your OP specifically says "a JD engineer".

I don''t think anyone has said this was not a problem, I'm just saying that ranting in an internet forum and using fabricated and wildly inflated numbers to somehow make it seem like a more wide spread problem, neither lends credibility to your outrage nor to your credibility.

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: I'm an engineer and I still have to shake my head at some designs.

Your opinion is noted, thanks...

....having said all that, I'd be just as steamed in your position and would "establish a candid and perhaps heated dialogue" with JD directly (if the dealer can't /won't represent your interests....i.e. won't do their job :facepalm with a target of having them cover the cost of the necessary retrofit part.