I have returned... with a Starcraft this time!

Decker83

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I agree with Watermann. The boat didn't come factory that way. I you are worried about strength then cut a new piece out of plywood and make it a little wider and then double it and glue it. That should hold it extremely well..
Just my 2 C.
 

BWR1953

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Guys, I hear ya about the single piece option. I really do. I'm doing what I can to make it happen. :)

I went out there this morning fully intending to cut a single brace. And I got stuck again.

Nothing on the existing cobbled together T-brace lines up with anything else. Oh yeah, did I mention that the two horizontal braces are different lengths? :rolleyes:

And my plywood didn't have a straight edge anywhere. So the first thing I did was to create a guide and used my circular saw to cut a straight line to clean up an edge to work from.

Then I put the two horizontal pieces together with them approximately aligned. I traced around them as templates. I'm running low on 3/4" plywood after all of my other mistakes, so I lined the horizontal pieces along the grain. That would make the new piece short, but I figured that would be okay.

Then I wondered if the original Starcraft brace was directly attached to the hull sides. I recalled removing a rivet from the port side but it wasn't connected to anything. There is also a rivet on the starboard side at the brace location but it wasn't connected to anything either.

I can't tell if a PO put those rivets in place or if it was Starcraft and what the purpose was.

Is that brace supposed to be connected to the hull sides?

Another issue is how to cut the arc in that 3/4" plywood. A jigsaw is just going to tear things up. My circular saw ain't makin' it. My buddy suggested using a sawzall, but that is probably too aggressive.

Some pix. :grumpy:

Old horizontal brace pieces butted together for use as templates. 1.jpg



Horizontal pieces clamped, then traced.
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Arc of the combined horizontal pieces. 3.jpg



Hole from rivet at port side brace location. 4.jpg



Rivet on starboard side at brace location. 5.jpg



Alignment of the old pieces sucks. 6.jpg
 

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Decker83

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A jig saw should do fine if the blade isn't to aggressive and you don't try and force it. I would try to turn the brace the other way on the plywood to keep from being to short.
I have no ideal about the two holes.
 

Watermann

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Yeah I agree with Decker on edge cross grain is normally not a good idea but that's ff the ply is laying flat not on it's edge. On edge using the 3/4 it should be plenty strong but cutting cross grain makes a mess if you don't use the right blade for it.

What I did for creating arcs in my boats ply is a strip of AL, I think it was one of the deck joiner strips from my Chief. One end on each outer mark and bow the strip out to the furthest mark in the center, hold it down tight with a guys hand on each end of the strip and make the mark. You could do the same with a lighter strip of ply too.
 

BWR1953

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And what about the holes on the sides of the hull? Is the cross brace supposed to be attached to the hull sides there?
 

DLNorth

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X2 - Why are you using the old junk for a pattern? It's not right to began with.

With all the wood out of the deck/cross "piece", adjust/move the deck and trim so they are in the correct/pleasing shape/arch.
The using scissors and tag board (or something similar) make a guide/pattern of the cross piece.
Then transfer the shape to your 3/4 ply, and max sure to let it run a couple inches long on the ends for adjustment.
If you want the bottom edge straight, cut with your circular saw USING a straight board as a guide. (be sure you have a good blade in it, the Diabo's are my fav and cheep)
Cut the upper curve with your jig saw, and sand it back to the line. (belt sander, disk, etc)
Fit new piece to deck and sides.

Make new angle pieces of alum, rivet them to sides and cross piece to angle pieces.
Make new angle piece to attach cross piece to deck, attach with rivets,

Be sure to seal (and paint) the ply before final installation.

Dan

"I agree with Watermann. The boat didn't come factory that way. I you are worried about strength then cut a new piece out of plywood"
 

Watermann

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And what about the holes on the sides of the hull? Is the cross brace supposed to be attached to the hull sides there?

Sorry forgot to add that info in my reply. Yes there's a bracket that's supposed to be there riveted through the sides with solids but my boats have 2 rivets to hold the bracket, not sure how just 1 would be a good thing?

The reason the brackets are missing is because the that was the only way to remove that bow arch doing it the way the PO did and you're trying to do. Starcraft builds the entire boat around that bow support or so it seems when dealing with removing it. The proper way is to remove the bow cover because the hull gets narrow below and forward of where the support goes with gunnels in the way aft so you can't fit it correctly unless you lower it in from above like SC did.

On my Chief the bow support pieces were all intact beautiful mahogany. You can see how the pieces went together in the pic. I'd lost the port side bracket for the gunnel and had to make one that's why it's not on in the pic.

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BWR1953

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Sorry forgot to add that info in my reply. Yes there's a bracket that's supposed to be there riveted through the sides with solids but my boats have 2 rivets to hold the bracket, not sure how just 1 would be a good thing?

The reason the brackets are missing is because the that was the only way to remove that bow arch doing it the way the PO did and you're trying to do. Starcraft builds the entire boat around that bow support or so it seems when dealing with removing it. The proper way is to remove the bow cover because the hull gets narrow below and forward of where the support goes with gunnels in the way aft so you can't fit it correctly unless you lower it in from above like SC did.

On my Chief the bow support pieces were all intact beautiful mahogany. You can see how the pieces went together in the pic. I'd lost the port side bracket for the gunnel and had to make one that's why it's not on in the pic.

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Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured but I just wanted confirmation.

I did cut the single piece cross brace today and obviously it won't go into place without removing the bow cap and associated pieces. Sigh. :fatigue:

And I'm not going down that road. I want to be able to finish the boat and get it back on the water where it belongs sometime in this lifetime.

Guess I'll have to go back to the 2-piece horizontal solution with vertical support brace underneath like was in there before. At least this time I'll have 90 degree angles to work with. :rolleyes:

I'm gonna think about it some more. :cool:

Front side.
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Back side
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BWR1953

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Been a busy couple of days with other stuff but I did make some boat progress. :wink-new:



Here's my sandwich! :D

It was clear that I couldn't get that single piece of wood for the cross brace into place without pulling the cap.

So, after measuring and "balancing" the angles and whatnot, I cut it in half!

Originally, I'd intended to use two pieces of 3" W x 1.5" H 1/8 thick aluminum angle to "sandwich" the wood between. But as I went rolling along, I realized that the aluminum angle was plenty strong and that only one piece was necessary. So I went from two "slices of white bread" to just a single "slice" with an open-faced sandwich configuration! :joyous:

The 1.5" height of the aluminum angle stock was too tall, so I used the already dull plywood blade in my circular saw to cut it to fit. Then the boy used an angle grinder to smooth the edges. He did well! ;)

Once everything is ready, I will temporarily screw the wood cross brace into place, then make some side brackets and locate rivet holes and bracket angles. Then I'll screw the wood into place from above, through the bow cap. From that point, I'll be able to slide the aluminum angle up underneath and into place and rivet everything together.

That should hold it! :)

Checking the fit of the wood cross brace with the aluminum stock.
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Two pieces of aluminum stock being mocked up.
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Yep, that would work once the aluminum pieces were correctly sized. But it was way overkill for the application
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The solid piece sitting on top of aluminum stock.
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And the solid single piece cut in half.
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The two pieces mocked up with the aluminum angle stock.
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The single piece with the aluminum stock.
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The aluminum angle mocked into place with duck tape. It will line up correctly once it's secured.
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Concept of rivets which will anchor the aluminum to the 3/4" ply cross brace and the gunnels. Unseen is the aluminum angle brackets I will fabricate to anchor the cross brace to the sides of the hull.
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BWR1953

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Been busy with the family and running the roads with health stuff, but I did make a little more progress with the cross brace.

Taped the pieces together as a reference, cut a couple of brackets from the L-stock and did some trimming. That's all I could do by myself until "the boy" came home from school. But after a snack and homework today, we got out there and did some stuff! :)


Pieces taped together.
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Brackets created.
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The boy doing stuff I can't do. He sure is handy to have around! :D
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Side bracket mocked into place.
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The L-bracket temporarily bolted into place. I put it in the center to allow alignment with the hull side. Will do the same on the other side tomorrow. The bolts are temporary only and will be removed and replaced by rivets. (Gotta order rivets!)
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The L-bracket, plywood and front brace will all be riveted together when finished.
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Watermann

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I bet you're looking forward to having the bow support debacle behind you so you can get down to business with the rest of the boat.
 

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Sometimes you just need a sandwhich to get you through till dessert ;-)

Keep up the progress! I hope things go well on the 12th.

And that you sell that mower!!!!!
 

BWR1953

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Hi guys. Sorry it's been awhile but I was greatly dispirited after getting some bad health news a couple weeks ago. Seriously. And my appointment with Pulmonary was cancelled today due to the hurricane.

Haven't made any more progress since my last update, although the boy and I did make some efforts. No joy though. :blue:

Didn't sell the Gravely either. Had two sets of buyers show up at the same time. Competition! Good stuff. The normally reliable machine just wouldn't fire up. I cranked and cranked and nothing! That's when I realized that there wasn't any gas in the thing! :facepalm: One set of buyers left but the other group stuck around while my buddy went to get gas. While he was gone, one of the guys pointed out that the insulation on the primary lead to the starter had started melting. Great. Overworked.

Got the new gas in the tank and tried cranking again. It started to fire up then the starter began making spinning sounds, like it wasn't fully engaged. That's when the second group left, saying that if I got it running that they'd purchase the mower.

My buddy came over and we did some trouble shooting and figured that the starter was bad. I ordered one and it arrived as I was prepping for hurricane Irma. I'm planning on getting it installed tomorrow.

And yes, Irma interrupted everything. We started prepping some 5 days before she hit. Couldn't get it all done due to my health but we did make some good progress. It was needed. The center of Irma was maybe 20 miles east of us. We had minor damage though, as winds were "down" to about 95MPH. One tree down and a single piece of vinyl siding on the side of my house popped loose. I snapped the vinyl back in place in less than a minute. The trees (one I cut down prior as a precaution prior to bugging out) will be addressed in coming days. I got a couple new chains for my chainsaw today and will be putting it to use. The boy is off school (due to the hurricane) for the rest of this week, so I'll have some help around.

Anyway, some good news.

I was able to fit the Chieftain, the Kingfisher and my wife's new car into the garage at the same time! For those of you who didn't follow the Hurricane Irma thread over in Dockside Chat, here's a pic of the packed garage. :)

And my wife commented on how beautiful the Chief is, in spite of the current condition. Then my old neighbor bud came over and said the same thing! Nice. :becky:
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Trees down! :lol: 1.jpg
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Garage cleared out this afternoon and the KF back in place. Hoping to FINALLY get that bow brace done soon! After dealing with the trees in the front yard of course. 1.jpg
 

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Phew, sounds like you've had a tough run off it! I hope you get the tractor sold in short order and can focus on more enjoyable things. I also hope the pulmonary doctor gets back in town for your visit soon. The boat will be there when you feel up to it and your boy's only getting smarter and stronger by the day! :)

I got mine done this spring and immediately traded my tow vehicle in for two vehicles that have taken up my time. The entire state of Washington has also been blanketed in a cloud of smoke for two months. You could push and push on that boat, but even if you got it done, life still has a way of hapening :)
 

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Glad to hear you had minimal property damage during Irma. Especially that beautiful Chief!
 

Decker83

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Good to hear Irma didn't do to much damage to you and your family.:thumb:
The chieftain does look good sitting in the shed..:yo:
 
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