Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

levittownnick

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1) Would you do it? Why/Why not?
2) Salt water durability?
3) What should I know before hand?
4) Can they be configured as Surge Brakes?
5) $$

This trailer has tandem axels and caries a 20 ft. Proline with a 150 Johnson and 70 gal. gas. Typical one-way tow is 10 miles.

Thank you,
Nick
 

Silvertip

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

If you have a hydraulic system you already have surge brakes. That's why they are called "surge brakes". If that's what you already have, why would you want to change them. It can certainly be done buy why? Salt water is tough enough on non-electric components, why would you want to add another system for it to attack. Electric brake backing plate assemblies and hubs are about $200 give or take a little depending on size. They range in size from 7-inch, 8-inch, 10-inch and 12-inch. You would need to wire the trailer, add an emergency disconnect package which is a small battery and switch that actuates the brakes should the trailer come unhitched. Those are required by law in most states on trailers with electric brakes. You also need a brake controller in the vehicle (50 - 150 bucks) depending on type. With surge brakes the hubs and backing plate assemblies are basically the same price as electric give or take a little. No electrical wiring or controller is required, but you do need a surge brake coupler and the necessary hydraulic plumbing to each wheel. Google Electric Brakes or Surge Brakes and read about the various systems and to find links to various suppliers. Try here on iBoats, Northern Tool, Champion Trailer, etc.
 

paulie0735

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

I like electric brakes but I would not go as far as to convert a trailer that already has an effective braking system fitted. As ST has said they can be a pain with salt water however they also have a few advantages such as being able to apply the trailer brakes at will rather than just as a back up for your tow vehicle. I once had to reverse a caravan down a very slippery, wet and narrow track and at the time would have been in serious trouble if not for the electric brakes on the van as the car tyres would not hold traction going backwards down the slope. One of the down sides is that you’re restricted to only towing with vehicles that have a controller fitted.
 

paulie0735

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

oh and BTW, electric brakes are also surge operated as they have a counter weight in the actual brake mechanism that works on inertia, once you have the controller adjusted to suit your needs the rest is done by the counter weights in the drum so in effect the harder you brake the more assistance you get from the trailer brakes. You actually ‘override’ the counter weight (surge) system when you apply the brakes via the controller.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

Paulie -- your electric brakes are apparently different from what we have up here. Current is fed to the solenoid in each brake assembly by a controller in the tow vehicle. That current is variable depending on the "rate" at which braking occurs. The pendulum in the controller determines how much current is sent to the brakes. (I will agree that is sort of a surge device). However, there is no counterweight in the brake hub or backing plate. The brake solenoid is pulled against the hub face by magnetic attraction which pivots a lever that in turn spreads the brake shoes. The more current that's fed to the brake solenod from the controller, the harder it attempts to grab the drum and hence the more force is exerted on the brake shoes. For manual operation there is usually a slider (voltage controller) that can be manually moved to apply any amount of manual braking you wish. I use that feature a great deal when towing my travel trailer. Windy conditions or a large truck overtaking you can unsettle the rig. A touch of the manual control snaps the rig straight again.
 

levittownnick

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

Thank's for the input. I will heed your advice. I found an article on electric brakes that strongly cautioned there use in salt water (which is my application).
As always, I can count on the advise I get here.

Sincerely,
Nick
 

bruceb58

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

If you want the best of both worlds...hydraulic brakes controlled by your vehicles brake controller...get an electric over hydraulic brake controller. That is what I did on my trailer matched up with Kodiak disc brakes.

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I like being able to adjust the braking intensity from the truck. I also don't have to have a backup valve which you would normally need for disc brakes.

If you use equalizing bars and/or sway control, this is a great solution to getting around the surge brake/ equalizing bar problem.
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

[colour=blue]IMO, electric is better, but I also agree with paulie in that why would you remove a perfectly o/k surge system.

BTW, the only parts that are affected by salt water are the magnet and the drum surface - both of which can be easily flushed with the appropriate flushing kit installed.

The newer type controllers are infinately adjustable allowing for much greater control over a hydraulic surge system.
 

levittownnick

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Re: Hydrolic to Electric Brake Conversion questions.

I was considering electric surge brake system because I was (not) thinking that even with the washdown system, I have to replace the rusting wheel cyllinders about every 2 years, and the brake lines and master cyllinder also need service.
I see 10" electric brakes with the backing plate for less than $30/wheel ($60/set). If electric brakes were salt water resistant, then it would be a good deal. Since salt water eats the coils, I gave up on this idea.

Thank's for everyone's input,
Smooth Sailing,
Nick

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