How to get from wood to gelcoat

n315on

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I plan on modifying the transom of my boat and I was wonder how I would get from a wood surface to gelcoat. Would I go from wood to fiberglass and then to gelcoat over the fiberglass. I don't know much about this so the more in depth the explanation is the better off I am. Thank you.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

read a couple of restoration projects from start to finish, at least just look at the pictures and then go from there....
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

In order to give you a detailed explanation, I think it would be in order for you to give us a detailed explanation of what it is that your are trying to do. Modifying a transom can mean a myriad of things. *** for Tat. You tell us and I am quite sure you will get plenty of responses on how to accomplish what you want to do.

I'm just sayin...:D
 

n315on

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

In order to give you a detailed explanation, I think it would be in order for you to give us a detailed explanation of what it is that your are trying to do. Modifying a transom can mean a myriad of things. *** for Tat. You tell us and I am quite sure you will get plenty of responses on how to accomplish what you want to do.

I'm just sayin...:D

Well, I bought a boat a few days ago for $300 with a blown inboard. I plan on putting an outboard on the back. And yes i have heard 10000 times it is not cost effective and I should sell it and buy the boat I really want. But for this reason I want to do the conversion and try to profect it. I will need to strengthen my transom and I also plan on building the bracket myself since the store bought ones are overpriced. I have a basic fiberglass knowledge but, my cousin who I will recruit to help has a good knowledge of fiberglass but only in the car market. He works on car stereos. There's my story, so now I was wondering how I could take my laminated/fiberglass bracket and make it look like it is part of the boat.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Hello n315on and welcome to Iboats..

Aye..in fact your right on track..

To gel wood ( Im thinking ply right and not some exotic stuff ) is as simple as you said.

1. Poly resin the wood ( I thin my first 2 coats of poly resin/acetone 70/30 ..ish ) then 2-3 coats unwaxed poly resin.

2. apply 2-3 layers of 1.5 oz mat with poly.

2a. You have to start and finish with coatings and lams ALL in one process without letting any coat cure fully.. ( you know..cut your glass..have everything ready to go and dont stop untill the glass is on and bubbles rolled out ).

3. Sand/fair your glass til desired ( 40 grit - 80 grit..whatever it takes ) .. finish with 80g though..

4. spray on your gel.

5. sand and buff to your delight..

Done.

YD.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Hello n315on and welcome to Iboats..

Aye..in fact your right on track..

To gel wood ( Im thinking ply right and not some exotic stuff ) is as simple as you said.

1. Poly resin the wood ( I thin my first 2 coats of poly resin/acetone 70/30 ..ish ) then 2-3 coats unwaxed poly resin.

2. apply 2-3 layers of 1.5 oz mat with poly.

2a. You have to start and finish with coatings and lams ALL in one process without letting any coat cure fully.. ( you know..cut your glass..have everything ready to go and dont stop untill the glass is on and bubbles rolled
out ).


3. Sand/fair your glass til desired ( 40 grit - 80 grit..whatever it takes ) .. finish with 80g though..

4. spray on your gel.

5. sand and buff to your delight..

Done.

YD.

In between your resin coats do you allow for any dry time at all? or do you just keep layering them on untill you have all the coats?
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Hello m8..

Yes .. your saturation coats.. I wait till tacky then go.. but again depends on your wood and how it obsorbes the resin..

I have everything ready.. resin coats and glass cuts and coats ready to go..

I dont miss "cure" coats.. I coat..ready..coat..ready..glass,glass then let cure..then reprep and coat with gel. Then sand and finish .

Start early and finish early..dont start this at 3 pm ..

YD.
 

n315on

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Hello m8..

Yes .. your saturation coats.. I wait till tacky then go.. but again depends on your wood and how it obsorbes the resin..

I have everything ready.. resin coats and glass cuts and coats ready to go..

I dont miss "cure" coats.. I coat..ready..coat..ready..glass,glass then let cure..then reprep and coat with gel. Then sand and finish .

Start early and finish early..dont start this at 3 pm ..

YD.

Ok thanks for your help.
 

n315on

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Halfway down page 13 strick starts building his box mold for a floatation bracket, it works very nicely.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/foru...7&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=13&vc=1

Its a copy of the Hermco bracket.
http://www.hermco.net/bracket_gallery.html

Its very do-able, just make sure you get the angle right.
They tend to use 30" leg outboards.

I just spent the morning skimming through that thread and I leaned alot.

Thank you for the link.

I notice that he molded all of his fiberglass, I was planing on making it out of 1/2'' ply and then covering it with fiberglass. Will this work? I know it will probably add a fair amount of wait compared to a molded part.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Hello m8..

Yes .. your saturation coats.. I wait till tacky then go.. but again depends on your wood and how it obsorbes the resin..

I have everything ready.. resin coats and glass cuts and coats ready to go..

I dont miss "cure" coats.. I coat..ready..coat..ready..glass,glass then let cure..then reprep and coat with gel. Then sand and finish .

Start early and finish early..dont start this at 3 pm ..

YD.

Will this give the gel coat a glass like finish that will match my existing boat's exterior? I am making a patch to fill in the outdrive hole in my transom and I don't want the patch to be noticeable, so it has to be a glass like finish if you know what I mean.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

No, you need to go further, it will need filling, sanding.....filling sanding.....filling sanding...... just repeat as needed until you like the result. After that you will need to spray gel coat or use paint, gel coat will require more sanding and then buffing, paint is about done when you pull the tape off.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

No, you need to go further, it will need filling, sanding.....filling sanding.....filling sanding...... just repeat as needed until you like the result. After that you will need to spray gel coat or use paint, gel coat will require more sanding and then buffing, paint is about done when you pull the tape off.

What do i fill it with
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Use a marine type filler designed for sanding, products like Bondo will absorb water and fail.
 

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Ive allways had luck with the process I layed out for you..

After your final layer of mat has cured..and you sand it down flat there is no reason not to apply your gel.

If done right your glass will not have that much air trapped in it..and very basically flat on its own ( depending on how you lapped your glass ).

On your first "tack" coat of gel just use a spreader and sqeegee the whole part ( filling all those nasty pin holes ) and just keep gelling untill you have a nice thick coat.

Mixing proper gel coat for tack-free surface is another thread..

After your gel cures scribble the whole thing with a black marker/or dust spray with spray paint. .. Start with 320g ( hopefully an orbital or DA but can be done wetsanding ) then 400..600..1200 buff..

You should not burn through your gel unless you shorted yourself on the thickness of the gel or left a high in your prep.

Gel is EZ m8.. once you Know what it is..how to mix..and how to apply/finish

Paint is a real PITA with primers and dust and wind..bugs..on and on ..

YD.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Ive allways had luck with the process I layed out for you..

After your final layer of mat has cured..and you sand it down flat there is no reason not to apply your gel.

If done right your glass will not have that much air trapped in it..and very basically flat on its own ( depending on how you lapped your glass ).

On your first "tack" coat of gel just use a spreader and sqeegee the whole part ( filling all those nasty pin holes ) and just keep gelling untill you have a nice thick coat.

Mixing proper gel coat for tack-free surface is another thread..

After your gel cures scribble the whole thing with a black marker/or dust spray with spray paint. .. Start with 320g ( hopefully an orbital or DA but can be done wetsanding ) then 400..600..1200 buff..

You should not burn through your gel unless you shorted yourself on the thickness of the gel or left a high in your prep.

Gel is EZ m8.. once you Know what it is..how to mix..and how to apply/finish

Paint is a real PITA with primers and dust and wind..bugs..on and on ..

YD.

Do you use this process for molded parts? If so could I do the reverse and use it on a wood part that I want to cover and make it look like it is part of the boat?
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

Use a marine type filler designed for sanding, products like Bondo will absorb water and fail.

Could I take a wood part and cover it with fiberglass and then use marine filler to smooth it out and then apply gelcoat to that or would I be better off painting it?
 

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The easiest way to patch the hole is to place something on the outside surface of the transom to use as a mold, Formica (counter top material) works well, you can also pick up melamine at a hardware store, its plastic coated would.



You need to grind the inside surface of the transom and taper it out to a fine edge around the hole.

The mold surface needs to be waxed before putting it in place, it can clamped, screwed or whatever works best in your situation, but it needs to up tight and solid.

If you have some gel coat that matches your boat (it won't really, due to age) you can catalyze it and brush it on the mold surface. You need to get it fairly thick, so sometimes it takes a couple of coats to get complete coverage. Then wait for it to get hard.

You then glass it from the inside, cover the mold surface you put in place and out a few inches around it, two or three layers is fine and depends on the type of glass your using, but try to match the thickness of the surrounding glass.

When that's hard you can pull the mold surface off.

You can now add plywood on the inside or whatever you plan to beef up the transom with.


The outside of the transom will now have an odd looking outline of the hole, it may be perfect (don't count on it) or may need some work (expect this). You'll need to fill the imperfections, they may be small or large, this is where the filler comes in. Gel coat can be used for small stuff, but it can be harder to sand on a large area. You may also need to use a long board to sand it if you want it to look near perfect.

Now you need to decide whether you want to use gel coat or paint, neither will match the surrounding color so you'll need to at least do the entire transom.
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

The easiest way to patch the hole is to place something on the outside surface of the transom to use as a mold, Formica (counter top material) works well, you can also pick up melamine at a hardware store, its plastic coated would.



You need to grind the inside surface of the transom and taper it out to a fine edge around the hole.

The mold surface needs to be waxed before putting it in place, it can clamped, screwed or whatever works best in your situation, but it needs to up tight and solid.

If you have some gel coat that matches your boat (it won't really, due to age) you can catalyze it and brush it on the mold surface. You need to it get fairly thick, so sometimes it takes a couple of coats to get complete coverage. Then wait for it to get hard.

You then glass it from the inside, cover the mold surface you put in place and out a few inches around it, two or three layers is fine and depends on the type of glass your using, but try to match the thickness of the surrounding glass.

When that's hard you can pull the mold surface off.

You can now add plywood on the inside or whatever you plan to beef up the transom with.


The outside of the transom will now have an odd looking outline of the hole, it may be perfect (don't count on it) or may need some work (expect this). You'll need to fill the imperfections, they may be small or large, this is where the filler comes in. Gel coat can be used for small stuff, but it can be harder to sand on a large area. You may also need to use a long board to sand it if you to look near perfect.

Now you need to decide whether you want to use gel coat or paint, neither will match the surrounding color so you'll need to at least do the entire transom.

Thank You for this great write up. I now can stop bugging you guys and start getting the boat done. Thanks
 

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Re: How to get from wood to gelcoat

315...

Yes.. .... ...

Make your Wood part..and follow the directions for glassing over......

Unless your trying to make a mold..then..still..follow the guidlines ..

YD.
 
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