How things change.

Mark42

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I work in the computer biz. I design software to work on those big monster main frame machines that handle all the transactions that those little servers can't run fast enough to handle. No joke, just fact.

I am writing this post just to air my observation of the changes in technology in my family's past and present generations.

My Great Grandma Dentz died at 104 year of age in the 1980's. She grew up in Sandwich Massachusets. She married a Captian of a sailing ship that traveled from US to Europe and back. A heavy drinking, womanizing man, he left her with three children and was never hear of again. Grandma never married again, but ended up owning a number of houses on the circle in Sandwich (I don't know how or why). They had no phone, no sewer, and water and septic was local. Mail was sporatic. Electric was later and sporatic.

Great Grandma Dentz had a son, Chester Dentz, who became a Captian who operated many ocean vesels in the NY harbor, up the Hudson river, and various other local waters. I see he had DOZENS of licenses to operate vessels of various tonnages in various waters in and about the NY harbor.

What does this have to do with technology in our generation, you may ask. OK, this is why:

When I was in my teens and twenties, I would call my Great Grandma Dentz on a telephone with a corded handset from the late 1960's. Even in the 1980's I didn't get a cordless phone until 1988 or so. Great Grandma still had a corded phone. She was getting seriously deaf, but still lived in her own house and still pushed one of those manual reel mower to cut a 1/2 acre yard. Her daughters took away her drivers lisence when she T-boned some unsuspecting guy driving past her driveway. Lucky Grandma survived. She was 102.

Up to the 1980's we still had vinyl records in the music stores. I was still shopping for the best stylus(sp?) for my belt drive Acustic brand record player. My phone was still corded. My speakers had 22" woofers with magnets that would suck a Honda 600 off the street as it drove buy. They would handle 800 watts each.

In the 1980's Grandpa Dentz died, and none one would tell Great Grandma Dentz for a few days because they were all worried that she would have a heart attack or something. She didn't. But she still got the info over a corded phone. I remember mailing a letter with pictures of me and my brother and sisters to her with a simpathy note. No email yet. I hopped the pictures developed at the drug store(as they were for the last 60 years) would make her happy. They did.

So from the late 1880's (remember Great Grandma Dentz? ) until the 1980's, communications were very limited, IE you had to be home to answer the phone. You had to go to the store to buy the record (or 8track or compact cassete) to listen to your favorite music. Not a big change from no phone to a phone. From no music to buy music at a store. This was a big technology change, but people were not impacted by it that much. Everything was much slower. Much , much slower. In the 1990's I bought a new cordless phone that included a answering machine. They weren't for Doctors offices anymore. I put a cordless phone in every room. Still had to run a phone wire to each room.

Great Grandma Dentz dies at 104. She saw life go from Outhouses and Ice Delivery and chickens in the back yard to refridgerators and freezer sections in the local Shop Rite. Still talked to my Great Aunts by phone, still watched regular 17" color TV. But none of those changes made her life run faster or made for big stress.

I grew up in a house with a corded phone, ANTENNA on the TV, and a Reel to Reel Tape deck was a State of the Art machine. This was 1970's. I drove a 1969 Caprice in 1976 and had to do major rust restoration. With addition of 4 barrel carb, cam and dual exhaust that 3800 lbs car would beat the hottest local Chevel. Still no Cable or cell phones.

In 1986 I was married (a mistake I later fixed) and bought a cordless phone and got cable television. Still no cell phone, still no ipod, still no instant messaging still no internet. Communication was by corded phone, or cordless phone. No PC's no internet (unless you worked for a big company, and then it was for technical info only, no shopping networks crap).

In 1994 I built my first PC, rated at an amazing 200Mhz. By 1998 cell phones were common place. By 2003 kids had them. Cable was everywhere, Satelite was becoming common.

So from the 1990's to 2007, we went from most no one having PC's to EVERYONE having PC's. From a few people having Cell pnones, to Everyone having cell phones, with photos, video, and hi def. From cable to Hi Def cable. From Dial up Pc to High speed PC.

From 1980 to 2005, life went from "wait for a call back or leave a message" to instant messages, cell phone availability, and no privacy.

I try to impress on my kids the importance of privacy and having TIME to think about something before they need to respond. This is a life of instant messages, instant cell phone calls, and instant internet access.

My question is this: How will the next generation handle the rapid increase in technology that puts you on the spot all the time, every time? There will be no "Leave a message, I'm not available to take your call right now". So what are they going to do for some privacy.

I'm going to teach my kids the value of privacy.
 

roscoe

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Re: How things change.

There is an "off" switch on all those devices. Teach your children to use it.

Or send them to work with me for a few months. 12.5 hours a day, 6 days a week, no access to phones or internet.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Re: How things change.

What Roscoe said.
Growing up; the only thing instant was coffee, however i did'nt drink that nasty stuff...Bleah!
 

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Re: How things change.

My question is this: How will the next generation handle the rapid increase in technology that puts you on the spot all the time, every time? There will be no "Leave a message, I'm not available to take your call right now". So what are they going to do for some privacy.


They'll deal with it just like we did, namely imperfectly, with lots of trial and error and mistakes made...and corrected.
 

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Re: How things change.

I work in the computer biz. I design software to work on those big monster main frame machines that handle all the transactions that those little servers can't run fast enough to handle. No joke, just fact.

I am writing this post just to air my observation of the changes in technology in my family's past and present generations................................................................... So what are they going to do for some privacy.

I'm going to teach my kids the value of privacy.

Turn the sheet off and head out into the woods, spend a day on the water. That or build themselves a Faraday Cage.;):)
 

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I agree, things have an off button and I use it.

Also, I have no problem at all saying "give me a minute to think about it and I will call you right back".

I would rather give the right answer in five minutes than the wrong answer in 10 seconds. So many people dont believe in the same.

Also, I cant understand why so many people cant ignore those cell phones ringing. It doesnt bother me at all to hit the side button and cancel the ring and continue talking with the person in front of me.

Some people (close family memebers included) absolutley panic to find the phone when it starts ringing. Doesnt bother me to say, let it ring, if important they will leave a message or call back later.

Ken
 

Bigprairie1

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I think the kids are already dealing with this. They don't wait...they don't have to. They get instant info on the internet, they contact their friends instantly via cell/text messaging. Even fashion trends occur now within a couple of weeks...anywhere in the world for that matter. 'No lag lifestyle' apparently.
I watched a show that described that the way movies and TV are now made lend themselves to this instant thinking. ie: no lingering camera shots....every shot is aboutd 2-3 secs thats it. If you've watched an old movie lately you'll see the difference.
Regardless whether its good or not to wait and develop patience in life and why....it is passing the current generation by. Quite quickly.
Give it a whirl....ask your kids to research something up in a book. You will see they won't get it....better to do it, quickly....on line, then move on to the next thing.
 

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Re: How things change.

My question is this: How will the next generation handle the rapid increase in technology that puts you on the spot all the time, every time? There will be no "Leave a message, I'm not available to take your call right now". So what are they going to do for some privacy.

I'm going to teach my kids the value of privacy.

Do what the couples in the Corona commercial did, you go to somewhere where all the bars on your cell phone disappeared and then sit down and relax. Lets me ask you this, would you rather go back to outhouse, ice delivery, and chasing down chicken in the backyard and then cut it throat, pluck it feather or freezer and frozen food sections?
 

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Do what the couples in the Corona commercial did, you go to somewhere where all the bars on your cell phone disappeared and then sit down and relax. Lets me ask you this, would you rather go back to outhouse, ice delivery, and chasing down chicken in the backyard and then cut it throat, pluck it feather or freezer and frozen food sections?
Catch, slash, and pluck!
 

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The older times were more kicked back for sure.
I remember sitting out on the front porch and being amazed how birds could fly.
No killing each other over 5 bucks or a bag of crack.
No worries about locking up.
Everyone in the area were friends.
Watched out for one another.
Not now, lock and load either at home or out and about.
Keep everything locked up and if not home, get the guard dog/s out.
It's really sad to think of what kinda old world my grandkids and great grandkids will grow up in.
 

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Lets me ask you this, would you rather go back to outhouse, ice delivery, and chasing down chicken in the backyard and then cut it throat, pluck it feather or freezer and frozen food sections?

the chicken from the backyard sure tastes better than that stuff from the frozen food section. I lived in the back country with an outhouse, killing my own meat from the yard, and wishing I had ice delivery for almost 6 years. It wasn't that bad.

I got my first PC in about 1988. It was the "turbo" model with a little switch where you could bump the clock speed from 5.77 mhz up to 10 mhz. It had dual floppy drives, I couldn't afford the 20 megabyte hard drive option, it was several hundred dollars more. It was sometime around that time that I saw the first release of windows, version 1.

In 1995, I left the big city and moved out to the sticks (see above) and left the world of computing behind. At that time I had a big, knee crushing toshiba 386 "laptop" and was doing email with off line packet readers. There were no websites, and I was a pretty serious nerd for even having an email address at that time.

When I came back to civilization in late 2000, there was the internet. Websites were everywhere, everyone had an email address and I got myself a yahoo address, and ebay account and a borrowed dual pentium that we connected on super slow dial up. Now, I have DSL, a router with ethernet cables strung to my shop and the house, and a 1.7 gigahertz mac laptop. I still have a great old SLR film camera that I almost never use anymore since digital came along.

I still have chickens in the yard, but the coyotes have bagged all but the cagiest ones. I have electricity from the grid, so I don't need ice delivery anymore, but in the summer my well runs dry and I go back to outhouse-era pooping technology or flush with buckets of water hauled from the nearby park.
 

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the chicken from the backyard sure tastes better than that stuff from the frozen food section. I lived in the back country with an outhouse, killing my own meat from the yard, and wishing I had ice delivery for almost 6 years. It wasn't that bad.

I got my first PC in about 1988. It was the "turbo" model with a little switch where you could bump the clock speed from 5.77 mhz up to 10 mhz. It had dual floppy drives, I couldn't afford the 20 megabyte hard drive option, it was several hundred dollars more. It was sometime around that time that I saw the first release of windows, version 1.

In 1995, I left the big city and moved out to the sticks (see above) and left the world of computing behind. At that time I had a big, knee crushing toshiba 386 "laptop" and was doing email with off line packet readers. There were no websites, and I was a pretty serious nerd for even having an email address at that time.

When I came back to civilization in late 2000, there was the internet. Websites were everywhere, everyone had an email address and I got myself a yahoo address, and ebay account and a borrowed dual pentium that we connected on super slow dial up. Now, I have DSL, a router with ethernet cables strung to my shop and the house, and a 1.7 gigahertz mac laptop. I still have a great old SLR film camera that I almost never use anymore since digital came along.

I still have chickens in the yard, but the coyotes have bagged all but the cagiest ones. I have electricity from the grid, so I don't need ice delivery anymore, but in the summer my well runs dry and I go back to outhouse-era pooping technology or flush with buckets of water hauled from the nearby park.


MAN........why would you do that to yourself? civilization is good. :D We wouldn't have much excuses to go turkey hunting anymore if we have to hunt our own chicken wouldn't we? We'd be tired of plucking feathers.

I had an email address in 1995 and I was by no mean a nerd, heck everyone on campus have an email address. Back then, email didn't have GUI, it was all dos.
 

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MAN........why would you do that to yourself? civilization is good. :D

Living in the country was good too. At night, it was actually dark and you could see millions of stars. It was quiet too. I lived on 40 acres and up behind me the neighbors' family had about 300 acres and they let me wander all over it, picking mushrooms and hunting turkeys. The view from my outhouse was one that a millionaire would envy. The air was clean, and so was the water. I had a great big garden the last year I lived there. When I could stay working on the hill, I could go days or weeks without ever driving on pavement.

And I didn't leave technology behind completely. I had solar panels (very high tech!), batteries and a little inverter. I had two light bulbs in my first cabin and a car stereo for tunes. In the winter, i charged the batteries with a little generator. I eventually even had a land line phone, and after two years someone gave me a small propane fridge and then I didn't wish so much for ice delivery.

The pork, lamb and chicken that I raised and ate were WAY tastier than anything I have ever gotten from the store. The wild turkeys were really tasty too...

Where I live now feels pretty civilized by comparison. I have a paved driveway that leads down to a state highway. I have grid electricity, phone and DSL, and even get cell reception here. I have a big old mobile home, and a barn and a shop. There is a small store only 3 miles away, and "town" is only ten miles by paved highway. Portland is only 90 minutes away and Seattle is only 2 1/2 hours. Still, many of my city friends still regard me as being waaay out in the boonies. Most of them never saw my previous place.

I had an email address in 1995 and I was by no mean a nerd, heck everyone on campus have an email address. Back then, email didn't have GUI, it was all dos.

I guess I would have been less nerdy had I been at a university. At that time, I didn't know very many people at all with email. I used mine mostly to participate in online forums, then known as BBS.
 

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Hmmm .... I STILL don't own an iPod (and neither do my wife and kids), have a cheap, antiquated cell phone with an "old fashioned, real phone" ring. It was only about 6 months ago that my wife got a cell phone. Hunt for most of my meat and fowl, and enjoy getting away from the phone and internet whenever I can. Yep, not a problem to teach the kids to turn it off ... you just have to learn to do it first and teach by example.
 
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