How many people go off shore?

sasto

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Re: How many people go off shore?

Offshore is much easier than many think. Personally? Many of the rivers, streams, lakes, and the ICW (like many of you do) have presented more hazards and constant attention....to me... than any ocean . It's only you and Mother Nature out there....... Inland? 'Nother story. :joyous:
 

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I usually go offshore a 50 to a 100 yrds or so on my 7'- 8" G&S thruster .. Usually :pray2: for nice swells ....:D
 

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Often there is more concern getting in/out our narrow inlets than being on the ocean. Often fighting the wind and tide in the narrow channels can be exciting, especially those that have not seen a dredge in a few years.
 

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John is correct, at least for the inlet I use to get "outside". When the wind and tide are against each other down length of the inlet, 5-6' waves are formed near the ocean end of the inlet. These form even on relatively calm days. There is also lots of boat traffic and the inlet is narrow, making for waves (wakes) from other directions.

One way to navigate thru it is to go slow and ride them as best you can. The area is pretty small, maybe 1/4 mile of this kind of rough water. The other way is to "bomb it" thru. Of course if you mis-calculate and stuff the bow, you can have issues.
 

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Even though I have a 2013 boat that I bought new I still don't feel comfortable taking it off shore. Don't know why.
 

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If it's 25' it shouldn't be a problem on a good day and if you don't have a crazy inlet like Oregon. But it's way more important to do what you are comfortable with, and it sounds like you have No. 1 covered, that is, know your limitations on skill/experience. Just do some playing around and challenge yourself when it's safe to do so. Take someone experienced (fishing guide); go on someone else's boat (fishing charter). No substitute for flying hours.

We get lots of questions about small boats in big waters; apparently Catalina Island is a magnet for death-wish boaters.

When it comes to successfully navigating rough or tricky water, the captain's skill is the most important.
The second is the hull and boat design, and close third is sufficient power.

People tend to focus on length but that is not at all a factor; a 13' Whaler is more seaworthy than a 19' sofaboat. The only way that length is important is that it implies a bigger hull with taller freeboard so obviously a 25' anything can handle more than a 14' anything.

Kayaks are the most seaworthy, ironically, so just because a kayak can make it doesn't mean an open motorboat can.

Also of course important factors are not being overloaded and not breaking down.
 

Pez Vela

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Even though I have a 2013 boat that I bought new I still don't feel comfortable taking it off shore. Don't know why.

I took a look at your blogspot. You have a nice boat and it appears to be well suited for the purposes for which you purchased it, which I imagine are those which you have documented on your blog thus far. There may be any number of reasons why the thought of going offshore makes you uncomfortable, but I can think of a few possibilities. The boat, while capable of just about anything, was neither designed nor constructed with offshore use in mind, and you did not purchase it for that purpose. Thus far, you may not have equipped the boat for serious offshore use. The boat may be new enough so that you are not fully confident in its operation, including whatever emergency equipment you may have. You may not have any formal training in boat handling and safety, which adds confidence. You may simply be unfamiliar with boating offshore, so that you're not sure what to expect, and how to handle the unexpected. The knowledgable boat operator knows his or her limitations, and acts accordingly. There is no shame in that, is it just being smart.

My offshore comfort zone with my own small boat is extensive, but I did not gain that comfort overnight, and neither does anyone else.
 

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The main inlet I use faces south. A light south wind on an outgoing tide can build 6' walls of water in a hurry. Anything under 33' +/- should simply go slow.
John is correct, at least for the inlet I use to get "outside". When the wind and tide are against each other down length of the inlet, 5-6' waves are formed near the ocean end of the inlet. These form even on relatively calm days. There is also lots of boat traffic and the inlet is narrow, making for waves (wakes) from other directions.

One way to navigate thru it is to go slow and ride them as best you can. The area is pretty small, maybe 1/4 mile of this kind of rough water. The other way is to "bomb it" thru. Of course if you mis-calculate and stuff the bow, you can have issues.
 

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Split Rock Light is on dry land:confused:

It is??? Sometimes I get boats and light houses confused……...:whistle:

I cross from the South Shore to the North Shore - Split Rock is on the North Shore of Lake Superior. We take pictures of the light and the people taking pictures of us while we're afloat - it about 30-35 miles.
Lake Superior has sunk 1-2 row boats in it's time.

What it looks like from the water.
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From your blog it looks like you've been to Cape Lookout, and if you can navigate the ditch to get there from Harkers you can surely go into the Atlantic through the Lookout Bight inlet in the hook. Its relatively calm even on days when the Beaufort inlet is crazy. My family likes to go shelling on the far reaches of Shacklford and Core banks. I stay with the boat anchored as close as I dare and they swim to shore. Its not "off" shore (we alway have land in sight), but its fun to tell the folks back home your little lake boat has been in the ocean!
 

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Inwish I could take credit for that but I followed a ferry out there :)
 

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If it's 25' it shouldn't be a problem on a good day and if you don't have a crazy inlet like Oregon. But it's way more important to do what you are comfortable with
When it comes to successfully navigating rough or tricky water, the captain's skill is the most important.
The second is the hull and boat design, and close third is sufficient power.

Home Cookin's statements here are spot on. The rest of his post is also good stuff. Ocean knowledge, like swell and wave behavior recognition on a split second basis can make the difference between a hair ball scary trip and a routine trip on a snotty ocean. So the captain's skill and experience is most important for sure.

I am at home on the ocean. I have been surfing since I was 6, and I am now 60. Surfing and ocean fishing have been my life, first in Southern California and the last 25 years in Humboldt County near the Oregon border. 100 percent of my trips are out of an Oregon like harbor bar, Humboldt Bay, and it is identical to all of the bar entrances up into Washington. I go out into the ocean here every weekend I can during the window of 01 May to 31 October. And I do it in a 15 foot Chrysler outboard powered tri hull built in 1977. This boat was never intended to do what I do with it but I've been using it here like this for 6 years. It's actually very well suited for ocean work and it's been extensively modified to be better than with the generic stock aluminum frame windshield most of these things come with. Gutted and rebuilt innards too including transom, stringers and deck.

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The most extreme offshore operators I can think of are the tow in jet ski guys towing surfers into gargantuan waves at Teahupuu, Tahiti. In this video as you watch, after about 8 rides into it, you'll see that every one of these guys has been towed into these monsters by a jet ski, the point being that the skill of these boat operators allows them to navigate in what seems impossibly dangerous conditions but they do it every surfing day that they are there and they do it safely. It's the skill of the operator, not the size of the boat. A bigger boat simply can be a cushion of safety for a less experienced operator. And some operators are so bad that a boat of any size would be dangerous in their hands.


So it's no big deal, you pick the right conditions that you are comfortable with, observe all safety protocols, wear a kill switch lanyard if you are alone (I go solo most of the time). And my furthest offshore? In my tri hull, 37 miles off Humboldt Bay. 5 out to 20 miles is a normal distance for me, but up here in the Pacific Northwest, by necessity you must become sort of a local weather expert to be the safest you can be. Like he said, you can push yourself being as safe as possible in order to learn your limits. But learn things like entering a harbor or river bar by looking all that stuff on YouTube and other sites for best advice and technique because it's those weird situations like currents rushing out of bar entrances into oncoming swells that can get you. And again, the kill switch lanyard is an awesome device. So is a life jacket. NEVER boat alone without both of them on your body and connected to the switch. We had a fishing boat out here on the west coast found with nobody in it recently, the guy was never found. Think of what it would be like watching your boat motoring away from you.
 
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crabby captain john

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Home Cookin's statements here are spot on. The rest of his post is also good stuff. Ocean knowledge, like swell and wave behavior recognition on a split second basis can make the difference between a hair ball scary trip and a routine trip on a snotty ocean. So the captain's skill and experience is most important for sure.

I am at home on the ocean. I have been surfing since I was 6, and I am now 60. Surfing and ocean fishing have been my life, first in Southern California and the last 25 years in Humboldt County near the Oregon border. 100 percent of my trips are out of an Oregon like harbor bar, Humboldt Bay, and it is identical to all of the bar entrances up into Washington. I go out into the ocean here every weekend I can during the window of 01 May to 31 October. And I do it in a 15 foot Chrysler outboard powered tri hull built in 1977. This boat was never intended to do what I do with it but I've been using it here like this for 6 years. It's actually very well suited for ocean work and it's been extensively modified to be better than with the generic stock aluminum frame windshield most of these things come with. Gutted and rebuilt innards too including transom, stringers and deck.

canopy2.jpg


DSCN0305.JPG


The most extreme offshore operators I can think of are the tow in jet ski guys towing surfers into gargantuan waves at Teahupuu, Tahiti. In this video as you watch, after about 8 rides into it, you'll see that every one of these guys has been towed into these monsters by a jet ski, the point being that the skill of these boat operators allows them to navigate in what seems impossibly dangerous conditions but they do it every surfing day that they are there and they do it safely. It's the skill of the operator, not the size of the boat. A bigger boat simply can be a cushion of safety for a less experienced operator. And some operators are so bad that a boat of any size would be dangerous in their hands.


So it's no big deal, you pick the right conditions that you are comfortable with, observe all safety protocols, wear a kill switch lanyard if you are alone (I go solo most of the time). And my furthest offshore? In my tri hull, 37 miles off Humboldt Bay. 5 out to 20 miles is a normal distance for me, but up here in the Pacific Northwest, by necessity you must become sort of a local weather expert to be the safest you can be. Like he said, you can push yourself being as safe as possible in order to learn your limits. But learn things like entering a harbor or river bar by looking all that stuff on YouTube and other sites for best advice and technique because it's those weird situations like currents rushing out of bar entrances into oncoming swells that can get you. And again, the kill switch lanyard is an awesome device. So is a life jacket. NEVER boat alone without both of them on your body and connected to the switch. We had a fishing boat out here on the west coast found with nobody in it recently, the guy was never found. Think of what it would be like watching your boat motoring away from you.

Agree ~~~ I'm out alone often. It is impossible to fish with a kill switch lanyard attached. One day I may add the new technology and get one of the electronic kills. Always alone wearing an auto inflatable PFD and a PLB is attached. Back up hand held radio... but the PLB is the best insurance.
 

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It is impossible to fish with a kill switch lanyard attached. One day I may add the new technology and get one of the electronic kills. Always alone wearing an auto inflatable PFD and a PLB is attached. Back up hand held radio... but the PLB is the best insurance.
Yep, can't fish a spread with a lanyard. Lost/threw mine away years ago.

An electronic kill gives you the warm and fuzzes when the water is warm. Not much good once the temps start to drop. The combination of cold water and your inability to get back into the boat in winter gear is a lethal combination. A PFD makes recovering your body a lot easier. Better off spending the money on an immersion suit.
 

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I have been boating maybe 2-3 years now and recently did my first off shore trip (26mi to Catalina). Like someone else already mentioned there can be sudden changes in weather, wave, currents, fog etc. that I took a lot of time to make myself feel comfortable with my own skills before I did that first longer off shore trip. I am a local US power squadron member and take classes and also made friends that own boats and talk to me about problems in the ocean. There's really not enough you can know about potential pitfalls. At the same time you have to give yourself a chance to increase your confidence by trying out new things. I feel like I still have a boat load to learn but at the same time I also am quite confident that I can handle smaller problems reasonably well that I can stay out of many problems associated with off shore boating..

Even though I have a 2013 boat that I bought new I still don't feel comfortable taking it off shore. Don't know why.
 

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Chasing waves was a every weekend occurrence back when jet ski's first came out for me and some of my crazy friends, we would actually look for the nastiest windiest weather we could find and then drive to these locations to chase "air". Reading waves became an addiction, and we were always pushing the envelope. This sure didn't make us experts at anything other than near death experiences, but we had fun and no one died from this. We did have rules, buddy system, double back up on everything. I came home bloody a few times, destroyed a few jet ski hulls sank a few too. I no longer do this, and consider myself lucky even with some safety rules applied.
I do agree that size is much less important than experience. Having twin motors would be a must for me if I were going our 20-30 miles on the ocean.
 

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I have been boating maybe 2-3 years now and recently did my first off shore trip (26mi to Catalina). Like someone else already mentioned there can be sudden changes in weather, wave, currents, fog etc. that I took a lot of time to make myself feel comfortable with my own skills before I did that first longer off shore trip. I am a local US power squadron member and take classes and also made friends that own boats and talk to me about problems in the ocean. There's really not enough you can know about potential pitfalls. At the same time you have to give yourself a chance to increase your confidence by trying out new things. I feel like I still have a boat load to learn but at the same time I also am quite confident that I can handle smaller problems reasonably well that I can stay out of many problems associated with off shore boating..


I completely agree with you on this. I've been out about 1/2 way between Huntington Harbor and Catalina, however not as a boat owner (with my Dad) - now that I am a boat owner, I try to absorb as much information as possible.

My family and I got hit with a storm during Labor Day weekend on Lake Superior. We were coming back from the Apostle Islands. Our Radio was going crazy with Coast Guard calls, but where I was I could do nothing. A one hour trip turned into 4 with 4'-6' with an occasional 8'. (I'm not sure what you call the swells or waves, but they aren't your typical swell like in the Pacific - they're almost like a widows peak - it's when the wind direction is one way and the current goes the other.) By the time we got back to the Marina, you had to use a pry bar to release my hands from the throttle and steering wheel.

Anyway, I had some lessons learned and total respect for big water.
 
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marekli

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"it's when the wind direction is one way and the current goes the other"
also called confused seas, where winds elsewhere create swells that by the time they reach you are competing with winds out of a totally different direction..that can create quite a turbulence in the waves...

I completely agree with you on this. I've been out about 1/2 way between Huntington Harbor and Catalina, however not as a boat owner (with my Dad) - now that I am a boat owner, I try to absorb as much information as possible.

My family and I got hit with a storm during Labor Day weekend on Lake Superior. We were coming back from the Apostle Islands. Our Radio was going crazy with Coast Guard calls, but where I was I could do nothing. A one hour trip turned into 4 with 4'-6' with an occasional 8'. (I'm not sure what you call the swells or waves, but they aren't your typical swell like in the Pacific - they're almost like a widows peak - it's when the wind direction is one way and the current goes the other.) By the time we got back to the Marina, you had to use a pry bar to release my hands from the throttle and steering wheel.

Anyway, I had some lessons learned and total respect for big water.
 

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"it's when the wind direction is one way and the current goes the other"
also called confused seas, where winds elsewhere create swells that by the time they reach you are competing with winds out of a totally different direction..that can create quite a turbulence in the waves...
Welcome at the Atlantic Ocean.

The combination shallow water with opposing tide and currents (Labrador and Gulf Stream) combine with prevailing southerly winds and pretty much keeps us in a constant state of confused seas. A day of 4' seas in a 30' boat will have you stopping by the chiropractors' office on the way home.
 

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(we alway have land in sight), but its fun to tell the folks back home your little lake boat has been in the ocean!

My fishing buddy had to bring ski out one day so he could tell all those back in NJ he water skied in the ocean.....
 
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