How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

[2aces63]

I just purchased for the first time 10 color lead weighted line and need help with how to tie the line to monofiliment 20 ib test. I know the knot has to be small in order for the line to spool off the reels smothly. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

 

[Teamster]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

First you need to take out 6 or 8 inches of the lead out of the leadcore line,....Then join them together,....The strength of the leadcore comes from the outer sheath,...

I wish I could remember the name of the knot,..........

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Yes, the first step is to cut the lead core off evenly. Then slide the braided covering back enough to grab the lead core. Pull about 8" of the lead core out and cut it off.

Now that you have the core out, take your mono and make three overhand knots over the lead core tag end and leave about a 6" tag on the mono. Next insert the mono tag end into the lead core tag (replacing the lead that you pulled out). Gently pull back on the mono and cinch the overhand knots over the tag end of the lead core making sure it is cinching over the inserted mono.

It's a little hard to get the mono into the lead core if it's been in use so in those cases I use a nail knot.

After thought edit: I can do this in just a few seconds (you can verify that with NGT if you want..LOL) so I may have left out a step or two.. However, here is the absolute best explanation I have ever read - It's written by my dear friend Val Aubrey at Eagle Lake.

http://eaglelakefishing.net/eagle-lake-articles-info.php?tip=332

 

[2aces63]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Thanks Teamster Trying to get this on a a reel so we can fish for Cohos out of Saxon Harbor WI, should be lots of Salmon out in the Lake this fall

 

[catfishcarl99]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

blood knot is what i use for joining lines.

http://www.animatedknots.com/bloodk...ge=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

 

[Teamster]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

blood knot is what i use for joining lines.

http://www.animatedknots.com/bloodk...ge=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Looks like the knot I use as well,...

I never knew the name of it, A friend showed me how to tie it and I've used it ever since,....

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Blood knots are fine but they're sort of big and ugly. Nail knots are stronger but you can still burn the mono (even wet) when you cinch it down. The Knot I use doesn't burn the mono and there's no way it's going to come apart before the line breaks. It also goes through eyes and reel guides as if it wasn't there at all. If I'm making them up at home I give them a drop of rubberized glue to smooth them even more.

Try the blood knot but if you have problems work your way to my solution.

 

[2aces63]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Thanks, well I tried the blood knot and it didn't seem to work very well so I'll try your solution. Pls let me know what type of knot you use

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Thanks, well I tried the blood knot and it didn't seem to work very well so I'll try your solution. Pls let me know what type of knot you use

Why don't you start with the nail knot. They make a tool, (can't remember the name off hand) for tying them. Ask at your local sporting goods shop. Of course you can just use a nail which is where the knot got it's name. Once you've got that down then try Val Aubrey's method in the link that I posted earlier.

 

[JB]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

I like the sound of JLawsen's solution but wonder if it will hold.

After removing a length of lead I would attach my mono to the tag with a double uniknot. It is easier for me to remember and as strong as a blood or nail knot.

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

JB that knot with the mono inserted into the sleeve of the lead core is about the toughest one I've ever used but it's also the strongest I've used. Val came up with it as a cure for the larger knots that had trouble going in and out of smaller eyes and reel guides. You can do the same thing using a mono nail knot instead of the half hitches. Just make one in the same manner as you would a bobber stop.

When I do those I feed the mono in and then force it out through the side of the sleeve. I then tie a overhand knot at the end of the mono, trim it close and pull it back into the sleeve. If you put a separate nail knot anywhere below it the line will break before anything else. Ideally the nail knot will be at the end of the sleeve. If you add just enough rubber cement to saturate the sleeve at the knot it will form a smooth transition point. When you remember that the line strength of the lead core is based on the sleeve and not the lead core it's easier to see why it works so well.

 

[old jim]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

If anybody is still interested in this thread I use the allbright knot.
See if you can find animatedknots.com it has video's and 1 picture
at a time to illistrate the knots, also has a good section boating
knots. Regards, old jim

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

old jim, the albright is a excellent knot, I use it to tie backing to my fly lines. The issue with most of the common knots is mainly with reel guides (level winds) and also the smaller guide eyes used in fresh water trolling rods. It doesn't take long to beat the snot out of a normal knot to the point where it becomes very weak. They can also hang when letting line out which will drive you nuts. The very small nail knot solves the problem and the unnamed knot that my friend Val invented takes it to another level. I fish lead core a lot because it allows me to change depths very quickly and very accurately. A lot of guys don't understand it and think it's too heavy and ruins the fun but I've found the exact opposite to be true. It does sing when a fish is stripping it off your reel but I can live with that.

 

[old jim]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

The albright is a real pia to tie, I am going to give the nail knot another look. Also look at your
no name more closely. Regards old jim
Jlawsen, are you in Ca. see your buddy guides at Eagle Lake. I keep my pontoon at Whiskey
Town Lake.

 

[Jlawsen]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

The albright is a real pia to tie, I am going to give the nail knot another look. Also look at your
no name more closely. Regards old jim
Jlawsen, are you in Ca. see your buddy guides at Eagle Lake. I keep my pontoon at Whiskey
Town Lake.

Jim, I haven't fished Whiskey town in several years. I was going to this July but got stuck guiding up at Eagle.. Oh poor me..Ha. My Dad and I fished it a lot a few years back. It was always the last lake on the list for our two week fishing trips because we knew we'd get our limits and never worry about comming home empty handed.

My friend Valerey Aubrey is considered by many of the Eagle Lake locals to be the best. She tried to retire but Jay Fair (her mentor) talked her back and now he's got her booked solid with tube fisherman. I'm getting my guides licenes so I can be legal and help her out in late October.

 

[old jim]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

wow, could not get on this site for the last 2 days. I never have fished Eagle lake, Dont think I would
like to pull my toon up there either. Oh well there are always kokes and rainbow in Whiskeytown.
Regards, old jim

 

[fishrdan]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

I use an albright knot, but my lead core reel is a Penn 309, that you could fit a finger through the line guide...

 

[2aces63]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

Thanks everyone who took the time to respond to my post. All very good suggestions and it has helped greatly. On the first trip out with the leadcore on my reel, with the line out about 350 ft behind the boat, had a strike and hooked a very big lake trout and after 15 min of playing the fish somehow the swivel parted and that was the end of that. Better swivels from now on. I will close this tread now.

 

[Mark_VTfisherman]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

...somehow the swivel parted and that was the end of that. Better swivels from now on..

On swivels: I only use barrel swivels for any swivel that is going to go through the guides and wind onto the reel, and my leaders are almost exclusively 14# Seaguar clear fluorocarbon.

The swivels are not the "power swivel" style but are the ones with the wire twisted 'outside" the body. The ball bearing swivels are too bulky and do not wind through the guides well. I predominantly troll for walleye and most often landlocked atlantic salmon and usually on Lake Champlain. A #12 barrel swivel has a 26lb rating which is what I mostly employ. A #10 is rated at 31lbs and gets used when I can't get 12s. I terminate all my leaders with a #1 duolock snap (or a #2 if 1s are not available). The #1s are rated 20lbs and the #2s are 25lbs.

The point is that I am going to answer Original Poster's question by telling you what I do. The information above and below will explain to you why those things work.

My leadcore setups are 8'6" Okuma Magda medium 'glass trolling rods. These are stiff enough to handle the leadcore while still adding some compliance to help keep fish stuck on. These hold Magda Pro 30 line counter reels (redundant, I know) spooled with 10 colors of 27# leadcore (I used to use 18# but I had the drag set hard on a running fish and it broke off at the rod tip losing 6 colors along with a mega fish so I upsized) on top of 20# mono. (The mono backer isn't so much for backer as it is to keep the lead from slipping on the spool)

Here's the setup: 20yds 20lb mono stretched on the spool with 50 yards of 30# Powerpro braid backer and 10 colors 27# leadcore over that. Then 30 feet of 20lb clear mono "shock leader" is tied to the leadcore, then a #12 swivel with 6 feet of 14lb fluorocarbon leader is terminated with a #1 duolock snap ready for a spoon or a plug. The leader is the weakest link.
(I went to 14# fluorocarbon because I was using 10lb fluorocarbon and had fish break off. I was going to go to 12lb leader but I tested some borrowed 12lb fluorocarbon and found that its knot strength was only about 9lbs and big lake trout broke me off and I HATE losing tackle. No more break-offs!)

The Seaguar fluorocarbon leader is tied with a "trilene" knot to the swivel and then tied the 20lb to the swivel. After the swivel is tied on both sides I strip 6"+ from the leadcore end. Then I slide the 20lb into the dacron sheath of the leadcore. Holding it firmly, I tie a dbl overhand knot in the leadcore. I strip about 5" of lead out of the end leaving only the dacron sheath which is a very simple yet effective way to deal with it. If not doing the "shock leader" thingy then that dangly end of the leadcore should be tied using a palomar knot.

 

[fishrdan]

Re: How do you tie monofiliment line to 10 color lead filled line

(The mono backer isn't so much for backer as it is to keep the lead from slipping on the spool)

Covering the spools arbor with electrical tape will keep the spectra (and lead core) from slipping on the spool, like the 20# mono. Spectra really digs in and bites into the electrical tape. I used to use mono too, but since going to electrical tape I wouldn't do the mono again,,, unless I needed to take up some spool depth with a cheap backer.