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ahicks

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Do not like 4 stroke outboards. Every one I have been on, is slow as Molasses, and A 2 stroke would have across the Lake and back before the 4 stroke got up on Plane. I used to think I/Os were slow accelerators, but they beat the 4 Stroke Outboards
Don't understand where this hate for 2 strokes is coming from.

They're lighter.
Have more torque and top speed.
Less moving parts.
Cheaper to buy, repair, maintain and easier to fix.

No, instead get something heavier, slower, more expensive and complicated to fix & maintain.
4 stroke haters are generally those that have no or very little experience with them. There's a pretty good reason they have pretty much taken over the outboard market. I doubt THAT many people are wrong....
 

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4 stroke haters are generally those that have no or very little experience with them. There's a pretty good reason they have pretty much taken over the outboard market.
I have enough experience with them to know they are Gutless for pulling Skiers, unless they are triple or quadruple the HP of a 2 Stroke. Sure you can prop it so it has a bit more Low End Torque, but then you are overrevving to get to a Skiing Speed.
Government Order, is why they are pretty much the only choice.
 
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I have enough experience with them to know they are Gutless for pulling Skiers, unless they are triple or quadruple the HP of a 2 Stroke. Sure you can prop it so it has a bit more Low End Torque, but then you are overrevving to get to a Skiing Speed.
Government Order, is why they are pretty much the only choice.
Riigghhttt. Another government conspiracy against the public.....
 

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Riigghhttt. Another government conspiracy against the public.....
That's sooooo true. But after many years running 2-strokes, and then thankfully switch to I/Os, I'm glad I had the ability to switch to 4-stroke outboards.

I remember the advertisement video done by Evinrude, comparing their OB to a Merc. Stern-to-stern and then WOT. The 'Rude literally pulled the Mer's transom under water. I'm sure there was a big difference, and I'm also sure there was some tuning done as well.

Yeah, the 4-strokes are expensive, can't fix them in the garage, but they are also nearly silent, start in a fraction of a second, sip gas and run really smooth. I have done prop maximization almost forever, so I don't run anything out of the box. My 2 Mercs run properly pitched Enertia props. Als I know is that they both provide the best hole shots I have ever had.

The govmnt can have my 2-strokes (as long as I can run them in sanctioned AOMCI meets).....just don't take my gas furnace.
 

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PS - just picked up a 1947 2.5 HP Lauson Sportking. Air cooled 4-stroke. Heavy as all heck and more greasy than any other outboard I ever got. Looks like it's a runner too. Fired right up.
 

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Riigghhttt. Another government conspiracy against the public.....
Well....how many 2 stroke outboards are on the market?? Gov't standards have eliminated 2 strokes...no conspiracy, just fact !! Wait a few more years until we have to go electric !!!
 

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Well....how many 2 stroke outboards are on the market?? Gov't standards have eliminated 2 strokes...no conspiracy, just fact !! Wait a few more years until we have to go electric !!!
I have a gasoline John Deere lawn tractor. All my other equipment (weed-wacker, leaf blower, chain saw, garden tiller) have been switched to electric. They are all the same manufacturer so I have a whole pile of batteries. I always get the job done. They actually work better! 1 hour full charge.

Innovation rules. I'm not holding my breath for electric cars and boats in MY lifetime, but I'm confident we'll get there eventually.
 

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All our yard tools are still 2 strokes, We have a couple Dozen still unboxed, so as to have them when no longer on the market. Were able to get some High end Sthil and Husqu**** at very low Clear-out prices. Way cheaper than the Overpriced Electrics,
 

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We boat in some really pristine waters in Northern Ontario and I support efforts to move to cleaner burning 4-stroke motors. (Electric motors would be great, but we are totally off the grid, so I’m not sure how that would work.)

We have both an older (1974?) Johnson 2-stroke 9.9 and a new Mercury 9.9 4-stroke. The Mercury is heavier, harder to start (warm or cold) and is a little less zippy than the Johnson. Maybe our Merc is a lemon, but in our case, (at least for smaller outboards), it seems like there is something of a trade off for the cleaner four-stroke versus the simple, but dirtier two-stroke.
 

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We boat in some really pristine waters in Northern Ontario and I support efforts to move to cleaner burning 4-stroke motors. (Electric motors would be great, but we are totally off the grid, so I’m not sure how that would work.)

We have both an older (1974?) Johnson 2-stroke 9.9 and a new Mercury 9.9 4-stroke. The Mercury is heavier, harder to start (warm or cold) and is a little less zippy than the Johnson. Maybe our Merc is a lemon, but in our case, (at least for smaller outboards), it seems like there is something of a trade off for the cleaner four-stroke versus the simple, but dirtier two-stroke.
I’ll take an evinrude or Johnson two stroke over a merc any day of the week. I’ve worked on all of those and the mercy’s are definitely more troublesome. I have to replace the merc on my pontoon, it was on there when I bought it. Fourth year in and I’m tired of having to monkey with it all summer.
 

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We boat in some really pristine waters in Northern Ontario and I support efforts to move to cleaner burning 4-stroke motors. (Electric motors would be great, but we are totally off the grid, so I’m not sure how that would work.)

We have both an older (1974?) Johnson 2-stroke 9.9 and a new Mercury 9.9 4-stroke. The Mercury is heavier, harder to start (warm or cold) and is a little less zippy than the Johnson. Maybe our Merc is a lemon, but in our case, (at least for smaller outboards), it seems like there is something of a trade off for the cleaner four-stroke versus the simple, but dirtier two-stroke.
The early(1974 - mid 80s)OMC 9.9s were about 12hp compared to the 11hp of Mercs 9.8. Good little engines, much stronger Gear Train than Mercs
 

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I’ll take an evinrude or Johnson two stroke over a merc any day of the week. I’ve worked on all of those and the mercy’s are definitely more troublesome. I have to replace the merc on my pontoon, it was on there when I bought it. Fourth year in and I’m tired of having to monkey with it all summer.
When it came the V4 Crossflows and the Inline 6s, I give Mercury the nod. They were smoother, and gave better fuel Economy than the OMCs. My inline 115 had better Acceleration, higher top speed, and did so on less fuel, than the 140 OMC crossflow did on the same boat. That otta start a war
 

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I have a gasoline John Deere lawn tractor. All my other equipment (weed-wacker, leaf blower, chain saw, garden tiller) have been switched to electric. They are all the same manufacturer so I have a whole pile of batteries. I always get the job done. They actually work better! 1 hour full charge.

Innovation rules. I'm not holding my breath for electric cars and boats in MY lifetime, but I'm confident we'll get there eventually.
I tried the electric yard tools but not impressed, if I had a small city lot they might be ok but I can't make it around my property without using multiple batteries. The electric tools do not have the power of the gas tools either. However, to each his own, my only real issue with electric tools is you can't find replacement batteries when they wear out, you have to replace the whole tool...
 

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You can take apart the battery pack and fix it. PM me for details. I build my own batteries mostly for trolling . I'm actually looking forward to electric outboards. But as of right now, the technology isn't there yet ( as far as energy density and weight) , and current batteries are still incredibly expensive.

Pound for pound, gas is still king. Sitting in my garage right now are a mix of Johnson / Evinrude and Yamaha 2 strokes . 9 of them so far and all 9.9s and 15s. Until I find a better motor , these can't be beat.
 

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You can take apart the battery pack and fix it. PM me for details. I build my own batteries mostly for trolling . I'm actually looking forward to electric outboards. But as of right now, the technology isn't there yet ( as far as energy density and weight) , and current batteries are still incredibly expensive.

Pound for pound, gas is still king. Sitting in my garage right now are a mix of Johnson / Evinrude and Yamaha 2 strokes . 9 of them so far and all 9.9s and 15s. Until I find a better motor , these can't be beat.
Thanks for the battery repair offer, but I have been involved in R/C toys for many years, well versed on batteries. Nothing wrong with progress but at what cost? New technology is being forced upon us at a finnancial rate that the majority can't afford, that is my real concern. With much of this technology comming from foreign countries, I don't want to be the guinea pig..
 

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Thanks for the battery repair offer, but I have been involved in R/C toys for many years, well versed on batteries. Nothing wrong with progress but at what cost? New technology is being forced upon us at a finnancial rate that the majority can't afford, that is my real concern. With much of this technology comming from foreign countries, I don't want to be the guinea pig..
Noteworthy maybe, is the difference in our outlooks here. My thought is it's being offered, not forced (unless you are a Ca resident). If you don't want it, if it's not able to get the job done to your satisfaction, don't buy it! There's no quinea pig here. This stuff has all been out/available long enough where things are pretty predictable.

I do agree that the battery materials are coming from mostly foreign sources, but we'll be catching up there soon. The car manf's are spending HUGE piles of money to make that happen

Biggest downside in the mind of a 40+ year fan of radio control, and as a big fan of e-bikes, my biggest concern is over the potential for LiPo fires.

But then again, I prefer to mix my gas and oil up in 5/6 gal jugs.....
 

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I had one of the LiPo Batteries for my Camera go Nuclear.
I was on a Flight where someone else's Camera started to smoke. Good thing it wasn't in their Checked Luggage, and the Cabin Fire Extinguishers can put these out. They are tiny Bombs ticking away, I'm sure there will be plenty of Roadway Shoulder Fires due to these Batteries
 

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I had one of the LiPo Batteries for my Camera go Nuclear.
I was on a Flight where someone else's Camera started to smoke. Good thing it wasn't in their Checked Luggage, and the Cabin Fire Extinguishers can put these out. They are tiny Bombs ticking away, I'm sure there will be plenty of Roadway Shoulder Fires due to these Batteries
That is a major issue that has not been addressed, one of my reasons for saying " forced" upon us.. Regular dry chemmical extinguishers won't work, neither does foam generators extingush these fires!! Also they dont know how to dispose of the spent batteries, just burying them along side the spent nuclear waste that we still haven learned how to dispose of yet we still build nuclear reactors !! They ran into this after the hurricains flooded the EV's with salt water and they caught fire. While we can choose to not use these new technologies, we will have to when the old tech supplies runout...and we still have not figgered out how to handle them them.
 

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If you always want a full tank , it makes sense to fill the gas first , so you know the exact amount of gas you put in, use that number to mix the exact amount of oil you need.
I would not gamble that it mixed properly, but that is me...overly cautious, and try to be thorough with everything boat related....mabey that is why I have never been stranded or had to be towed in almost 60 years...just a guess here..
 

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I would not gamble that it mixed properly, but that is me...overly cautious, and try to be thorough with everything boat related....mabey that is why I have never been stranded or had to be towed in almost 60 years...just a guess here..
I put the fuel in, then add the appropriate amount of oil. 50 years on doing it that way and never wrecked one yet.
 
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