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Jbird78

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Im new here and looking for some advise. Im considering purchasing a 1989 Wellcraft 186 eclipse. It is going to need a new floor. And has a merc 4.3. Any of you guys have any input on Wellcraft, Merc4.3, and floor repair? Just wanting to gather some opinions I guess. Thanks.
 

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That's how most full cut and gut restorations happen . . . "it just needs a floor" .

Best to move on unless you are looking for a project and the learning of new skills.
 

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New floor, they rot from the bottom up. Don't ask how I know...Don't matter the brand of boat, They all rot the same when not taken care of.
 

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Jbird78

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That all sounds about right. Lol. I plan to have to cut and gut the flooring. Stringers and all. Fortunately I have experience with fiberglass. Do you guys happen to recomend a particular type of wood for strigers and deck? Thanks for the replys fellas.
 

gsxrdan

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yup got all close and personal with a wellcraft and its floor - 196 eclipse - ur probably gonna need a transom with that... but worth the effort imo :joyous:. external grade plywood is fine, jut not pressure treated.

time to go get your grind on!
 

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Jbird78, :welcome: to iboats. Glad you chose to join us...

AS for the type wood most use for flooring, transoms and stringers. Flooring is usually 1/2" exterior grade plywood. As for the stringers and transom, most use 3/4" exterior grade plywoods and double them up to get the proper thickness needed for each application. And you can use Titebond III wood glue because it is waterproof and is very easy to use. But it has to be Titebond III because the other Titebonds are not waterproof.

Read over a few of the many boat projects on these forums and you will quickly see how other are doing their refurbishing. And of course ask all the questions here as well. There are lots of really good iboaters that will help guide you along with your boat project and help keep you on track along the way. JMHO
 

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It's official! I go to Ft. Worth next weekend to pick up my new (used) Wellcraft project. Thanks for the input guys. I will get some pics up soon. * Gsxrdan, How was that transom to rebuild? Any good tips or pointers?
 

gsxrdan

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Lol the transom was the easy part!! theres a link to my rebuild in my signature, there u see my wellcraft in all its naked shame... personally i liked the fresh start to be had from grinding and cleaning the hull to an empty shell then starting over. i think the best advise i could give is - dont worry about perfection, its a boat!
 

Jbird78

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I'm having a little trouble finding what exactly "peanut butter" is made of. Could someone please tell me.
 

Jbird78

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Gsxrdan, damn fine job! I went through and saw all of your work. Very nice. Leads me in the direction I needed. Thank you.
 

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I'm having a little trouble finding what exactly "peanut butter" is made of. Could someone please tell me.

Okay this question does come up from time to time. And here is just one recipe for peanut butter.

First thing is to get as fresh peanuts as you can find. And then roast them for about 1/2 hour at 275 degrees.....oh...wait...this is not what you were asking about. :facepalm:

Okay seriously now. Peanut butter is a name we use on here to talk about polyester, MEKP and Cabosil mixture. And that is because most mix their peanut butter to the consistency to a peanut butter thickness.

I use about the same amounts of Polyester 435 laminating resin to equal amounts of Cabosil. Then I mix those up well and if the mixture is too runny yet, I add in more Cabosil. If it is too thick, I add in more polyester resin. When you get the right consistency you want, then mix in the MEKP. The amount of MEKP can be adjusted as well, but a good start is a 1% to 2 % mixture of MEKP. But then you have to mix it well. I usually mix for a true two minutes myself (watching a wall clock in my shop) and never had any issues.

If you are mixing 500ml of polyester for peanut butter;

500 ml of polyester
500 ml of Cabosil (fumed silica)
5 to 10 ml of MEKP

Mix well and use.

Just remember there is no set mixture and you can adjust the ingredients to suit your application. Just make sure you get at least a 1% to 2% MEKP so it will harden and cure. The higher teh MEKP percentages, the quicker it cures. But your open work time decreases as well.
 

Jbird78

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Couple of other things. ( forgive me guys, Im not new to boating just new to rebuilding one) My Wellcraft has a 4.3 merc alpha 1. First question is...Can I just go to Autozone and get all my tune up parts for my motor ( rotor cap, bug, plugs ,wires.) Or do they have to be Mercrusier? #2...Upon doing some research I seen that doing Vortec heads and maybe a cam will increase my H.P. any other thoughts on this? And lastly...my hopes are to do a little playing (tubing and ski) but I do want a good hole shot and best top speed...what pitch prop might I be after? Thanks fellas.
 

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Some parts can purchased at the auto parts store, and other are marine specific, but can still be purchased at many auto parts stores.

​The prop on it now is where you start, which may or may not be correct for it currently, if you change any components for more HP then you need to do all the testing yourself to get it dialed in.
 

Jbird78

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If I have my hull id # is there a way to get info, such as what exact motor is in it etc?
 

ondarvr

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Hull numbers and motor don't relate to each other, you need the numbers off the motor to get parts.
 

Jbird78

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What does this engine # mean on my merc 4.3. Can someone tell me exactly what I've got here #Oc669143
 

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Okay this question does come up from time to time. And here is just one recipe for peanut butter.

First thing is to get as fresh peanuts as you can find. And then roast them for about 1/2 hour at 275 degrees.....oh...wait...this is not what you were asking about. :facepalm:

Okay seriously now. Peanut butter is a name we use on here to talk about polyester, MEKP and Cabosil mixture. And that is because most mix their peanut butter to the consistency to a peanut butter thickness.

I use about the same amounts of Polyester 435 laminating resin to equal amounts of Cabosil. Then I mix those up well and if the mixture is too runny yet, I add in more Cabosil. If it is too thick, I add in more polyester resin. When you get the right consistency you want, then mix in the MEKP. The amount of MEKP can be adjusted as well, but a good start is a 1% to 2 % mixture of MEKP. But then you have to mix it well. I usually mix for a true two minutes myself (watching a wall clock in my shop) and never had any issues.

If you are mixing 500ml of polyester for peanut butter;

500 ml of polyester
500 ml of Cabosil (fumed silica)
5 to 10 ml of MEKP

Mix well and use.

Just remember there is no set mixture and you can adjust the ingredients to suit your application. Just make sure you get at least a 1% to 2% MEKP so it will harden and cure. The higher teh MEKP percentages, the quicker it cures. But your open work time decreases as well.

Where's the 1/4 chop strand, to hold it together ??:confused:
Should it not be brittle without the chop strand for a binding material :rolleyes:
 

JASinIL2006

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For any application where the peanut butter was part of a structural repair (e.g., fillets around the transom or stringers or decking), I used chopped strand, for exactly the reason 52FordF2 mentions.

For just filling a hole or a gap between boards, I don't think the chopped strand is needed.
 
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