Help with charging system?

nola mike

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Oh... Yeah, that was me. I did reply. But then I read something in an earlier post, and deleted my post as it was no longer relevant.
Didn't want to quote a post that you deleted, but you mentioned ignoring sense and excite--I'd appreciate you expanding on that.
Since my new alternator charged briefly without the excite wire hooked up, I'm wondering if the real point of it is to power the idiot light in a car...
 
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This is what I have for a wiring diagram for a 3 wire alternator:
edit.. I just noticed in your signature you got rid of the 3.7? so this is for the 4.3?
 

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tank1949

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This has persisted through 2 alternators. The one I just installed worked fine when last used. So there was a bit of corrosion inside the female ends of both harness leads. I'm going to clean them off better now that I got the boat off a (bouncy) mooring. The thing that I don't understand is why am I seeing 24v from the orange wire when running, but it isn't making it to the battery? And again, I'm not sure which lead on the alternator is sense vs excite (black and red), and which engine wires are sense/excite (purple and red)


Mercruiser manual has it the other way? red is sense and purple is excite. I'm not sure of the coloring on the alternator--I have a red and a black wire, not sure which is which.


Yes, that's what I'm doing.


There isn't a separate ground stud on the "new" alternator. There's a small lug attached to a case screw. I attached my harness ground to that.


Again, doubt it's the regulator on 2 alternators (though possible). Trying to track down my wiring mistake I guess.
For peace of mind, take alternator to REPUTABLE shop and test it under loads so that you can have a base line. However, I suspect corrosion somewhere in wiring or connectors.
 
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Yup (although this is the alt from the 3.7)! You've been away for a while!
Yeah, too long. Life got busy for a while and the boat took the back burner. It's time to get it splashed again. Oh boy, lots of maintenance to catch up on.. I do enjoy reading these posts again. You see Stonyloam on here at all?
 

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Yeah, too long. Life got busy for a while and the boat took the back burner. It's time to get it splashed again. Oh boy, lots of maintenance to catch up on.. I do enjoy reading these posts again. You see Stonyloam on here at all?
Hasn't been around in a long time. Pm'd him a while ago with no response
 

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Ok. So the good news: problem fixed. Bad news: Threw parts at the problem and now have 2 spare alternators.

Turns out the problem was with the fuse itself. I disconnected the output wire and ran a different one straight to the battery (after the new alternator didn't work), which worked. Ohm'd across all connections yet again, including fuse terminals, no resistance. Took all connections off at the fuse/starter, cleaned (they looked good). Still no go. Then just took the fuse out and it worked.

Turns out the fuse was bad internally, but still making enough of a connection to pass voltage without a drop if there was no load; when the engine was on, I didn't have enough access to test voltage across the fuse terminals. Had I done that I would have seen my problem. Reason that I was getting 24v from the alt output was because it wasn't reaching the battery, like @Bt Doctur said. I had battery voltage at the other side of the fuse because the battery was feeding it. Worst of all, the tach output doesn't look like it's going to work for my tach.

Looked good from the outside:

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Pics of contact surfaces of both plates and the fuseable link connecting them. You can see pitting; the black is carbon tracking from arcing.
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So here's the root cause: the insulating sleeve protruded too far from the link, so with everything tightened down there still wasn't enough pressure for the link to contact both plates securely. Wondering if it's missing a washer or something there--that would probably cure the issue.

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..., but still making enough of a connection to pass voltage without a drop if there was no load; ...
Yeah. V=I x R. If I is zero (no current flow, ie no load), then V will never be anything but zero.

You also made comment about another troubleshooting technique. Throwing parts at a problem only makes your parts supplier rich. I guess you're looking for a buyer for your near new alternators..
 

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You also made comment about another troubleshooting technique. Throwing parts at a problem only makes your parts supplier rich.
I'll own that. Didn't have time to figure out what was going on until today. If the problem was the alt I wouldn't be on the water this weekend (Holiday weekend here). If I was wrong I'd be out $85 (but maybe get a working tach). Money well spent.
 

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I'll own that. Didn't have time to figure out what was going on until today. If the problem was the alt I wouldn't be on the water this weekend (Holiday weekend here). If I was wrong I'd be out $85 (but maybe get a working tach). Money well spent.
You cant win them all. You have some spares so hopefully you never need them... at least you’ll be on the water this weekend. how many times do we hear the boat is at the mechanic for 3 months? You’re still money ahead
 

achris

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.... If I was wrong I'd be out $85 (but maybe get a working tach). Money well spent.
Holy... $85 for a complete alternator! We're paying over $200 aftermarket, more like $700 genuine... But I do live in the land of 'gouge the consumer'... 🤦
 

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Any reason not to clean that fuse up and install it on the alternator side? Much easier to get to than the starter.
 
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