HELP! Boating On The ICW

LuvBoating

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Just checked........we have a couple of ICW maps that cover St. Simon Sound, GA to St. Augustine, FL and St Augustine to Palm Coast. We also have a small mobile GPS (vehicle to boat and back to vehicle) that we bought a media card for that has both the St John's River and the ICW on it.

Wife told me this AM that she'd be a little fearful as well, but not nearly as much as I am.

Folks, it's sort of a new adventure and "new adventures" don't come easy for older folks in their 60's and up! A couple of things that have a tendancy to "scare" me is when I read about fairly low-depth areas and shoal areas on the ICW.
 

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Running aground is part of coastal boating where you have soft bottoms that change frequently. (It's higher stakes in Maine!) You raise the motor and back off. Real boaters don't have paint left on their skegs. You'll be fine. Carry an oar or shove pole if you're worried.
 

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I don't know about Frank being very restrained.......didn't ask for "tough love" kind of stuff, just some encouragement/advice! :)
Your "don't be a baby" and "whimpering" words sound like a "tough love" to me. We really appreciate encouragement/advice BUT, again, appropriate for folks in their mid 60's who are only asking for encouragement/advice???

Anyway, yes, wife/I are in our mid 60's, but it's mostly those in their 20's and 30's that are the "adventurous" type. The folks we have met/talked to in their 60's and higher have already had years upon years of experience boating on lakes, rivers, ICW and ocean. Neither of us have had all of that!! Older age makes some folks more cautious than they were at a much younger age. The ICW might have a lot older (Senior age, perhaps) on it, but I'd think they've been boating on ICW and even the ocean a lot of years.

Yes, we are definitely "fair weather" boaters, so, if the wind is high (8+) and/or rain predicted, the boat does come off of the trailer. There have been times that we didn't take it out b/c it was just too darn hot.

Heck, we've not just bumped bottom, we've got stuck on it in the channel going out of Goodby's Creek into the river area. The drive was down and engine stopped. It all sort of freaked us out, but we were able to raise the drive, start the engine and get out. We had the same thing happen by the entrance to Doctor's Lake in '09. We were able to get out, but it scared both of us when the boat engine stopped dead.

As far as "rocking" goes, early last year we took our boat out on the St John's River, right outside the channel of Goodby's, the wind was blowing fairly hard on the river and was rocking our boat pretty good. I looked at my wife and said "too much wind, going back in" and she said "fine". We know that boats can/will rock in water, but some rocking is fine, but too much means........."going back to the ramp right now!!"

Anyway, thanks for replying to the thread.

Seriously? Frank was quite restrained. You're 64. That's what the ICW is full of (except you will be one of the young ones). It's for retired couples to motor around in. Don't be a baby.

There are some places that are not very well maintained but for a boat your size, no problem pushing off if you bump bottom. The wide open bays (we call them sounds) can be tricky when its windy, and they can be deceivingly shallow, but stick to the markers, follow someone, and don't sweat it. Anyway in your boat you won't be in any danger even if you do get caught in some wind (and I can tell you won't go out in the first place if it's blowing).

Here's a tip: crabbers set crab pots in the naturally deeper areas so they can mark "channels." And because they are 18-24" tall, if you can't see the tops you know you have at least that much water. Pass downwind of the floats b/c the linies are upwind.

And don't be scared when the boat is "rocking." it's what boats do. Get yours out in some rough weather to learn what it, and you, can do. With experience you will gain confidence; you won't get it whimpering at a computer screen.

One morning early I was out on my pier checking the crab traps and this guy comes motoring around in about a 30' old cruiser; he was over some shallow water for that boat and heading up a dead-end river (our rivers are estuaries) so he came over and we chatted. He was about 70, from Maryland, just retired and plunked his money into this boat, and was just heading south down the ICW and exploring any creek or bypass he found interesting, all the time in the world. He admitted he didn't know much about what he was doing and appreciated the native advice I gave him--but he had made it down the middle of the Chesapeake Bay just fine. The thing is, as long as you aren't reckless or oblivious, you really can't get hurt in the ICW. And the Lord looks out for fools and drunkards.
 

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Well look at it this way. In your 60s you may be more reserved and cautious in what you do but that is better than being a guy like me in his 30's that wishes he can take his 25 footer to Bermuda. Just go slow. No one says you have to go way out there. Take small steps. Put her in and stay within 5 miles of your launch point the first time out.
 

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Wow, that's exactly what a friend of ours told me! Him and his wife were the couple that went with us the first time we went on the ICW in Daytona Beach. I now think it is VERY GOOD advice

Well look at it this way. In your 60s you may be more reserved and cautious in what you do but that is better than being a guy like me in his 30's that wishes he can take his 25 footer to Bermuda. Just go slow. No one says you have to go way out there. Take small steps. Put her in and stay within 5 miles of your launch point the first time out.[/QUOTE]
 

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Ahh--crap guy. Now you have me angry! LOL So you are a silver fox. What of it? Age (as long as living has not made you completely infirm) has noting to do with it--ATTITUDE does. Quit whining about being 64. I'm 67 with arthritis and regularly run the Chesapeake in a 20 foot cuddy. Eventually when I get the time, I will circumnavigate the Delmarva Peninsula.

I would do the ICW in a heartbeat in my cuddy but my 58 year old wife wants a bigger boat. She says the cuddy is too small to sleep in and she wants a stand up head. SO: I guess more of my retirement funding will go into a new hole in the water.

Non carborundum los illegitemi. Don't let the ba**ards wear you down
 

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Have you ever been stuck out there in the bad stuff? I was afraid of being stuck with a dead battery, it happened now I never go out without my jump pack. I was afraid of staying out after dark, I do it all the time most every time I go out. I was afraid of being stuck in bad weather, I got stuck in a squal so bad that the only thing I could see what the course line on my GPS and about 50 feet in front of me, i made it back to the dock and know that my boat can take water coning in over the sides. Point being everyting I was afraid of has happened (well most everything) and it only made me more confidant in my equipment and more prepaired and more wise on when to turn back for home....
 

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I can give you some information on the run between Jax and St. Augustine, and the rest of the way to Daytona. I have made that trip many, many times and here are a few of the little things that I've picked up:

1) Make sure your maps are up to date. If you plan on running the ditch (the ICW) all the way to DB, markers are moved occasionally to accomodate changing bottom conditions. This is especially true at St. Aug inlet and Matanzas Inlet. The GPS channel isn't always perfect, so you should pay attention to the markers.

2) If you go the GPS route (marine models such as Garmin, Lowrance, etc), get the newest card they have available. Most come with a basic map built it from the factory, but the SD cards offer more info such as ramps, fuel, first aid, etc. I recommend using a GPS, especially one with a tracking feature. This leaves a dotted line wherever you go. This is especially helpful if you are returning at night or in reduced conditions and the channel markers are tough to see. Always have a set of maps as a backup. A GPS is a great feature, but it's no replacement for good navigational skills.

3) The stretch of the ICW west of Jax Landings is terribly polluted with crab traps that are in the channel. Navigating thru them is like tip-toeing thru a minefield. If you encounter them, just reduce your speed, keep to the center of the channel and watchout for floating styrofoam balls. If you happen to get wrapped up in one, it will more than likely shut the motor down. Just raise the outdrive and unwrap or cut the line off. I know that makes the crab fishermen mad, but they keep moving the traps in toward the channel...it's a price they pay.

4) Heading East/South into the ICW is a bit tricky if you've never gone thru it. The entrance to the ICW isn't marked aside from channel markers (no ICW 'this way' sign), but you'll notice a pile of rocks and a grouping of red/green channel markers. Just stay away from the rocks and in between the markers and you'll be OK. You'll see other boaters going thru there, so just follow them and you should be OK. The water swirls badly right there when the two rivers meet, especially during an incoming or outgoing tide. Just bump the throttle up a bit and maintain a straight heading. The boat will "walk" around a bit, but don't try to compensate for it. It will stay on course.

5)The stretch between Jax and St. Augustine is nice, but there's not a lot of scenery. It's only a 35 mile trip, so you can do it in a couple of hours. When approaching St. Aug, plan ahead on getting there during a dead high or dead low tide (use trip features online or on smart phone apps). You can always call ahead and they'll give you the best times. Pay close attention to the channel on the north side of the Bridge of Lions. The channel will take you towards to inlet and it will seem like you are headed to sea. It will then make a starboard turn back to the bridge. During high tide, this isn't much of an issue, but it you run outside the channel during low tide, you'll be sitting in the sand waiting for high tide.

6) Approaching the Municipal Marina (just to the south of the bridge) is best at dead high/low tide. The water comes in at a smooth 5 kts and can make it tough to tie up. It's a great marina. Call on VHF when you approach, and they'll have someone out there waiting to help you tie up. Tip well, they're really nice people. Good food, great area, easy fuel, ice, etc. They also allow transient docking for approx $2-3 per hour.

7) Maintain your VHF on 16 for the trip down. Coast Guard Jax will give frequent radio updates of any waterway obstructions/hazards along with their GPS coordinates. Just jot the numbers down so you can keep a watch in the area.

8) Want an even better ride? The run from St. Aug to Daytona is about the nicest ride around, except for south Florida. The waterway narrows down to approx 150' and you'll ride slowly by some multi million dollar homes. Most people sitting on their docks, waving. Just be respectful of their boats and seawalls and keep off plane. Some nice places to eat as well as a few bed & breakfasts.

9) If you plan on doing the Daytona to Edgewater run, it's OK. Smooth straight ride from DB to Port Orange. Then a small idle zone. Throttle back up until you can see the lighthouse at Ponce Inlet, then idle down for what seems like an eternity. It's idle all the way to New Smyrna Beach, except for a short stretch at the inlet, where I think that's the only place that should be idle zone....go figure.

10) Right at the mouth of Ponce Inlet is Disappearing Island. Get there on Saturday or Sunday and nose up on the beach and enjoy a good time. Tide change there is about 5-6', so monitor your boats depth or you'll spend 12 hours there!

I have made the trip more times than I can remember in the boat that's in my avatar. Last trip was from Daytona, up the ICW, over to the St, Johns River, and down to Lake Monroe. I did this over 3 days by myself. 252 mile start to finish.

If you plan on making the river trips, I highly recommend it. It's a beautifil way to spend the day and there are so many sights you're missing out on. Plan accordingly, bring some food, beverages, and your suntan lotion and go splash your boat. After you've completed that, I suggest driving it to Palatka and making the run south down the SJR. It's old, old Florida...the way it looked 200 years ago.

PM me if you'd like more information. Go out and enjoy your boat!
 

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From what I'm reading, most of you folks have had plenty of experience running on the ICW. Please, remember, we've only been on it ONCE and had experienced ICW boaters/friends were with us then.

Actually, I THOUGHT that coming onto this forum and asking for help wasn't a thing called "whinning" or "being a baby" or whatever................ it was called ASKING!
Well, anyway, this isn't the first time I've done a thread on a forum and had some of the same types of replies that I've got here. It's ok though.

What I'm wondering now is, if there are any boaters out there that felt the same way I do and DIDN'T wind up on the ICW and others who DID. Like I've said, and repeated it a few times (including in this reply), it appears to me that most of you folks have had numerous years boating on the ICW and have had different things happen while doing it. So, that means that if you are 60+ now, you were much younger when you first went on the ICW the first time. Then again, I may be wrong in saying that.

I think the once replier had it right........."Take it slow and only take short trips (5 or so miles) and then return to the ramp. Each time you will get more experience and will go further." I really like this advice.
 

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Don't get frustrated with the internet tough guys. They are every forum I am a member of. Also some times things are lost in translation and they sound harsher than they are meant to be.

I bet if you take it slow and do the 5 miles out the first time thing you will feel better about it. For me when I do something like this I like to do it alone first rather than be around people and feeling like I am being watched, girlfriend included. I am picking up a new boat this weekend and I will be alone on it until I am confidant enough to have other people around me while I am operating it. This boat will allow me to do the ICW in North Carolina which I have never done. I have been on the chesapeake bay pleanty of times but never alone. I have asked a friend and his wife to accompany me on my first trip then see how I feel about doing it alone after that. Baby steps.
 

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I live on the ICW, and have plied a stretch near Morehead City, NC for over twenty years. I have an 18' boat, a depth sounder, AND SEA TOW. If you don’t see the next channel marker stay out of water less than 5’ deep. Know the tide, and don’t get carried away trying to bull your boat off the sand if you do get hung up. Going aground might be embarrassing but the best of sailors do it.
 

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REALLY like your reply..........thanks! The "baby steps" is definitely what we are going to do. Our boat doesn't go on the water without my wife onboard. She helps me a lot.
Again, thanks for your reply. :)

Don't get frustrated with the internet tough guys. They are every forum I am a member of. Also some times things are lost in translation and they sound harsher than they are meant to be.

I bet if you take it slow and do the 5 miles out the first time thing you will feel better about it. For me when I do something like this I like to do it alone first rather than be around people and feeling like I am being watched, girlfriend included. I am picking up a new boat this weekend and I will be alone on it until I am confidant enough to have other people around me while I am operating it. This boat will allow me to do the ICW in North Carolina which I have never done. I have been on the chesapeake bay pleanty of times but never alone. I have asked a friend and his wife to accompany me on my first trip then see how I feel about doing it alone after that. Baby steps.
 

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If you have a good working team like Luvboating, then go together but otherwise I htink it's wise to get to know your boat (like AG plans to do) without others on board especially family, wives and girlfriends (especially not at the same time!). They can really make you nervous and self-conscious, especially with the inevitable pier-bump, second+ try docking or loading, ramp follies, and motor stuff. You want to test the edges of the boat--quick starts and stops, hard turns, etc. and you want to try out any big wakes you encounter, but they often don't. I always recommend against family on maiden voyages.

The best person to take along is a person of the same gender, experienced, and preferably a friend. they can tell you stuff without the tension and drama; they won't roll their eyes, gasp, grab stuff, shriek, mutter, etc. I often recommend new boaters pay a boat guy (mechanic, seller, guide) to go with them; it's always worth it.

Luv, where you live, it should be no problem getting someone to go out with you. Hang around the marinas; get on a local fishing forum. Lots of opportunities for company or to ride along (for fishing it's called being a HO: Help Out. The guy with the boat wants a HO; the guy without a boat wants to be a HO. You exchange knowledge, assist, be good company, maybe put some $ in the tank or cooler. Good system).
 

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we've run all of the ICW in NC, some in Va and some in SC .... to enjoy traveling the ICW requires one do so with an attitude of not being in a hurry .... NO WAKE zones are found in more and more areas .... we often run sections between the locks on the Mississippi at or near WOT but seldom do so on the ICW .... recommendations to keep it between the red/green markers are sound as is the caution against cutting corners .... we have found that an up to date GPS does come in handy .... we have a depth finder but unless you travel pretty much at idle speed or are planning to fish along the way, haven't found it to be of much use .... in most cases, by the time the sensor on the rear of the boat lets you know the water is getting shallow, the front is pushing sand .... larger boats are supposed to slow down so as to reduce their wake but you can't count on it .... knowing how to handle your boat when crossing a large boat's wake is a necessary skill .... don't travel sections you don't know (and know really well) at night .... having a marine radio and towing coverage is an excellent idea .... make trip planning part of the fun .... having done good research on where you will stop to rest or take on fuel really helps ease uncertainty .... lastly know your boat, know it is in top mechanical condition, know how far you can take it with the fuel on board, know what spare parts/tools are wise to have with you .... our dream trip has long been to take our boat down the Mississippi to the ICW, follow it around the Florida and up the east coast to our home in NC .... in the real world, that ain't gonna happen but it sure is fun to dream about

Jim
 

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6) Approaching the Municipal Marina (just to the south of the bridge) is best at dead high/low tide. The water comes in at a smooth 5 kts and can make it tough to tie up. It's a great marina. Call on VHF when you approach, and they'll have someone out there waiting to help you tie up. Tip well, they're really nice people. Good food, great area, easy fuel, ice, etc. They also allow transient docking for approx $2-3 per hour.

8) Want an even better ride? The run from St. Aug to Daytona is about the nicest ride around, except for south Florida. The waterway narrows down to approx 150' and you'll ride slowly by some multi million dollar homes. Most people sitting on their docks, waving. Just be respectful of their boats and seawalls and keep off plane. Some nice places to eat as well as a few bed & breakfasts.



Municiple marina is nice indeed, and they are nice to you. I've overnighted there everytime we've gone to St. Augustine, from Daytona. (I think I've done it 4 times, but it's been so long, I can't remember.)

There are SOME legitimate "No Wake" zones in between St. Augustine and Daytona. However, there are MANY "fake" signs put up by homeowners and such. The real ones have ordinance numbers on the bottom of the sign, and are in pretty obvious locations. If you idled past every house on the that stretch (they all look the same after a while) you'll be 4+ hours getting to Daytona. If you run the real posted speed limits in the ICW channel and the true no wake zones, I think it's just a little over 2 hours. Great trip.

So much boating to do in Florida, really. And all different kinds, as fireman points out with lakes, rivers, ICW, Bays, and ocean!
 

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Well, being this is only the second time we will go out on the ICW, we will prepare ourselves even though it will only be a short trips in the beginning. First time, a few miles down, turn around/come back, load up and back to storage. Second time, a few more miles added on, then turn around/come back, load up and back to storage. Dont know how many times out it will take us to get to St Augustine, but we will definitely take it easy and LEARN.

As already stated in one reply, we will have SeaTow and the boat is insured.

We bought a card for our small "car-to-boat/boat-to-car" GPS in '09 that covers both the St John's River and the ICW all the way down eastern Florida. We've used it on the river, but that's it. There is no new card or download and, when I talked to BassPro, where we bought the card, they told me that it should be fine.

Dual-battery setup, maps, full tank of gas, some tools onboard, Marine radio, cell phones (her's and mine), flares, First Aid Kit, etc., etc.

Wife and I will study the maps we have before we leave home.

Our plans LATER, will be to take our boat back down to Ormond Beach over a weekend and go out with our friends there when they take their boat out. BUT, before that happens, we will get some ICW experience up where we are (in Jacksonville).
 

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I guess some of us take this for granted. I fire her up....and go. Always ready.

Take me to lake or pond? Gimme a rum and seat.
 

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Actually, I THOUGHT that coming onto this forum and asking for help wasn't a thing called "whinning" or "being a baby" or whatever................ it was called ASKING!

Hmmmm....I never said anything about whining or being a baby. You asked for information about the ICW from Jax to DB and I wrote a wall of text that was (what I thought) decent information. Sorry if I offended.....:confused:
 

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Hmmmm....I never said anything about whining or being a baby. You asked for information about the ICW from Jax to DB and I wrote a wall of text that was (what I thought) decent information. Sorry if I offended.....:confused:

I would hope this wasn't directed to you, Fireman.

I have been with Fireman on some parts of the ICW. He is very knowledgeable and comfortable there. As far as I know he has logged more hours on the ICW than anybody I have ever seen on this forum.

Good job, Fireman! I appreciate you putting in the time and effort to help another boater.
 
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