Help! Advice needed to correct reassembly of '75 20hp Mercury manual pull starter

CigarXO

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I'm sorry to inquire on a topic that has been touched on so many times. But, when I scan threads and see many different models/methods - it becomes confusing.

I just picked-up a 1975 20hp Mercury, model 1200225, sn 4288253, to replace the 9.9 Chrysler I have on my 1984 14" Duracraft. I know, I'm going backwards in years.

I got a great deal worth taking a risk on a "just broke the pull cord, but runs well" scenario from a young soldier transferring out-of-state. There's been some good service maintenance done by a local shop, so I took a chance. When I got it home, mounted it on my boat and removed the starter shroud to replace the rope - after watching a couple YouTube videos & reading threads - I was met with pieces falling around. Obviously, someone had attempted the repair and become frustrated. Luckily, I found all the pawls, washers, etc. Unfortunately, I didn't see exactly how everything came apart; but washer wear marks, pawl traces, etc. gave a good idea. I thought I had it reassembled correctly but have the following issues and questions after the starter failed to achieve regular "catches" and no ignition:

1. How tight (torque spec) do you put on top nut? I had achieved full rewind of a new rope after about 8 full turns to load the spring, replaced the rope and assembled the covers. The action felt pretty good, but the rope came loose indicating I did not tighten the top nut enough. But if I tighten too much, I won't achieve proper action either will I - which I think led to me breaking the spring after my second assembly. I manhandled it a little. I do wait for the clutches to catch, but gave a bit too much effort. I'll rebend and rewind spring tomorrow. That should be okay.

2. I see in the forum that starter malfunction may be as simple as cleaning and greasing. While disassembled, I'll grease center bolt and spring. I'll insure mating surfaces are clean. I'll oil pawls and surfaces. Any other advice on clean, grease, oiling this thing?

3. Looking down on the spring assembly, the rope threads to the left of the pulley and is pre-loaded by winding CCW correct? How many rotations?

3b. Can the spring be loaded and rope wound just by loosening the top nut and using a large screw driver?

4. When I put the starter shroud back on, it has a longer bolt on the front right (looking at the front of engine). That bolt also retains the swing arm on the throttle. How tight/loose do you adjust that bolt? I'm such a novice, I didn't realize at first you get different play at this swing arm depending on whether the engine is in gear or neutral... duh.

5. How to set timing? Does it matter, or is that an issue if I were pulling the crank rotor? I see a sticker which says timing is to be 30 BTDC, I see the markings on the cowling and I see two white lines scribed on the rotor. Do I need to adjust this? Do I turn the drive shaft, or what? (just did my Mercedes head gasket, so I'm full of useless analogies).

I think I'm close, but falling into PIA difficulties I've read this fix can be. Need to get the little fish killer back on the water before the weather changes...

Thanks in advance!

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UPDATE: Help still needed!

I started to disassemble when I noticed the pull cord which had been extended with no recoil did recoil when I loosened starter shroud - so I diagnosed the use of a "knot" to secure the inner end of the rope was catching on the flywheel cogs and preventing recoil. I also noticed once disassembled the knot interfered with the pawl motion. I quickly wiped-down assembly, lubricated the pawls & sheave pins and re-assembled with rope held by original pin with hope of achieving the correct action and start. The pawls operated before assembly.

Once assembled, the spring recoiled; but, there was no "catch" of the pawls on the flywheel. It seemed that once when I manipulated the throttle between "start" "shift" and "forward"; I got it to catch - but could not duplicate.

Any ideas why pawls are not catching flywheel?:confused:
 
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UPDATE: Help still needed!

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Here are the steps from the manual hope you can read them.
 

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CigarXO

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merc850 - thanks for the manual pics. they confirmed the diagram and the order in which I was installing pieces. I was suppose to receive a Seloc manual in the mail today via Amazon delivery, but the seller mislabeled their inventory and sent me a sappy love story instead ...

The saga continues -
I learned I was missing a part, one of the many required in this model. The sheave retaining washer - a cup which fits around the friction washer. I found a retaining washer at a local repair shop. I re-assembled 2-3 more times with no luck - the pawls would still not release out to catch the flywheel. I suspected my wave "friction" washer and/or pawl wave washers as culprits. I first examined the large friction wave washer and noticed it was not as wide (wavy) as the retainer so it was not striking the pawl retaining washer to cause initial resistance to the starter cord pull. So, I bent it some more to make it "wavier." Then still bothered that the pawl plate would not counter-rotate, I cut the return spring connecting the plate to the sheave assembly to reduce its force. Last, concerned that the pawls were not rotating I bent the pawl wave washers to increase their force. SHAZAM the pawls now work! Upon reinstalling, the starter is catching the flywheel. The spring is less efficient in recoil, but I'll accept that for now.

On to my next problem:
Look for a Thread inquiring about starting pressure. I'm struggling to get the pull cord to turn-over the engine with the plugs in? I'll start a new thread in hopes of better response than this one...
 

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I am ending this thread. The starter is now working in as far as the starter mechanism (pawls) are now catching the flywheel. The primary culprits were:
- old grease build-up
- spring needed removing and cleaning, then rebending to compensate for it being broken
- wave "friction" washers on pawls and pawl plate needed replacing - I bent them for now to increase their force
- insure all parts are there. This model has an incredible number of parts in the starter assembly. Turns-out a retaining cup washer was missing in mine.
No one of these could I identify as a singular cause, thus it took me most of the week and 15-20 assemblies to get it right.
 
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