HELP? 1973 Merc 1500 150 HP and 1987 Mercury 115 HP Tilt & Trim , Powehead Motor swap

patmetz

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HELP? 1973 Merc 1500 150 HP and 1987 Mercury 115 HP Tilt & Trim , Powehead Motor swap

:confused:I purchased a 1987 Procraft 1780V Fish and Ski with a 87 115 6 Cylinder merc on it and I am having issues that I need help with, I am mechanicly inclined but need some direction and specific information/ assistance with.
I can't afford a mechaninc, so I have to do most everything myself.

1. Hard Starting
The motor is very hard to get started, The key assembly does not look like the priming feature is working properly the key goes into the controls, it looks like there should be a nut around the key assembly butit just pushes into the controls. when it is pressed in long enough the carbs leak fuel.
I took it to a mechanic to have him inspect it and the issues below were what he noted.
And basically told me I had to rebuild the whole engine or find a replacement motor at a cost of 22-2500.

2. Low Compression on #3 Cylinder.
Mechaninc stated 3# is reading 85# on that cylinder while the other cylinders are running at 115# He did not attempt to decarb nor see if anything was directly causing it or try to oil up/decarb or see if rings are frozen.

2. Lack of spark
Mechaninc said I only had spark on 4 cylinders so I had him resolve that issue, by installing a new powerpack"switchbox" , he stated I have spark on all cylinders now, I also replaced all spark plugs with new NGK gapless plugs.

3. Stalling when put into gear.
Thie is the big complaint. when I bought this boat it was on headphones already running when I arrived and didn't get the chance to Lake test it. After I got it on the Water as soon as there was any back presure the motor it would stall after putting it into gear. If I manage to be quick enough and gas it pretty good the boat will go but this is a nightmare at the boat ramp. Once I can get it going then the boat seems pretty fast 40 via GPS with just me and son trimmed out on fairly rough water

4. Hard Steering
This things is hard hard hard to steer, it has through the tilt steering but I need to know how to lube all the steering up and how to determine kinks in the line.

5. Lower Unit
Th oil in the lower unit has a burnt smell to it and there are some pretty large shavings on the plug. The oil is black not milky so no water leaks, Could the lower unit cause the stall?
What Years Lower unit could I swap with to replace the lower unit?

I bought another motor a 1973 or 1975 Mercury 1500 Inline 6 Cylinder wThunderbolt ignition S/N 3503117 with mercontrols and all parts complete. motor has less than 3 hours on a complete rebuild and I was wondering if any of the parts on it could be swapped to my current motor, Like the powerhead or complete top end and lower end?

The Rebuilt 73 Tower of Power motor doesn't have Power Tilt & Trim. Could I use my tilit and trim off of the 87 115 L6 on the 73 1500 motor? It seems th have all of the bolts in the exact same spot for the Yoke and spacing looks to be perfect. It looks like the only thing I would have to do is wire a tilt switch and wire it to my dash instead of the older controls.
? Could I swap out and use the 1987 115HP Tilt and trim Assembley on the 1973-1975 1500 150 HP motor on my boat?

? Could I swap out the powerhead or complete top end and lower unit from the 1973 150HP and put it on the 87 115HP motor or midshaft?


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1987 Procraft 1780 V Fish and Ski 17'8"
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Motor on boat currently
1987 Mercury 115 HP Inline 6 Cylinder With Tilt and Trim electronic Ignition S/N OB110146

Replacement Motor on boat or parts for current motor.
1973-1975 I don't know the year exactly Mercury 1500 150HP thunderbolt ignition 1500 Inline 6 Cylinder with Distributor and Manual tilt S/N 3503117
 

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Chris1956

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It is very likely the 1500 powerhead will fit the 115 midsection. The PTT will not swap. The gearcases will swap. I would recommend you build a FrankenMerc using the good powerhead and gearcase on the '87 midsection with the PTT.

1) The MerControls normally have a aluminum nut that holds the ign key in place. Sounds like yours is missing. I don't know if they are available, but a trip to the hardware store should turn up something you can use.

2) #3 cylinder is usually the first to get scored if your carbs get clogged or the waterpump wears out. Pull the middle transfer cover (starboard side) and inspect the cylinder and rings for scratches, broken rings etc.

3) It is very likely the carb idle mixtures are set too lean. Richen (CCW) the top carb by 1/8 turn and see if acceleration improves. Repeat with mid carb and finally with bottom carb, testing acceleration after each adjustment.

4) disconnect the steering cable link to the motor and see if the motor turns freely. If so, turn the steering wheel all the way right and clean and lubricate the stainless steel steering rod, until it moves freely. If the motor is the issue, post back.

5) Change the gear oil. Use any marine gear oil for mechanical shift motors. It is not likely to be a factor in #3 symptom.
 

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I was thinking of swaping the motors at the swivel bracket mounts that connect the mid-section to the motor swivel.
The bolts and spacing are the same at the midsection.
There are 4 bolts spaced 3" apart on center at the top and bottom atr the midsection.
It looks like that would be an easy enough swap then the whole motor bracket tilt trim would stay the same just the motor bolted to them woule be the older motor. Will that crazy idea work?

Other wise for the start of the season I will just do a full swap, man handle the non tilt motor like the old days, put a macs river runner prop and skeg protector for now to get me on the water,,then in a couple of weeks purchase a CNC 7130 tilt and trim kit for the older motor & rent a cherry picker and get er done. after that it is a toss what to do with the other motor I think I'll build a stand and store it for the winter to have a project for the winter and rebuild it to put back or buy a another boat to put it on after repairs are done.
 

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Sounds like you are considering removing the rubber mounts of the suspension system, to change the transom bracket. I doub't that will work for the upper mounts, as the nut is next to the rubber mount and the rubber mount is sandwiched between the exhaust extension and the midsection. you would need to pull the powerhead to make loosen the nuts and remove the bolts from the rubber mount. Sounds like a back up plan if the good powerhead doesn't mate with the newer midsection. The lower rubber mounts will not be an issue.
 

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Swapping is a tough job, as chris said, you will need to pull the power head, lower unit, exaust plate(?). It is do able, I just did this a few weeks ago. for the same reasons, the newer motor only had tilt, and my older unit had tilt and trim. the newer (new to me) motor had an external pump where as the older unit was an all in one unit.

get the correct gaskets and take your time.
 

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One thing you aren't taking into consideration, the 2 engines have a different bolt pattern on the transom, so if you just change out the entire engine, you will need to drill new holes and patch the old ones. Personally, I would just go ahead and swap the powerhead and lower units and keep the PT&T. the only thing you woulod need to transfer from the 87 to the 73 is the face support bracket as that's where the PT&T solenoids are mounted. The powerpack should fit in the 87 bracket, you might have to drill those holes though.
 

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Yes I forgot to mention changing the face bracket. Also you will need to drill a new hole to allow for the PT&T wires to get inside the cover.
 

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Dang that sounds like a pain,, well I got use of a shop in the morning.
What Gasket set will I need for the powerhead swap?
 

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I would have been cracking the old powehead off this evening if I knew that
 
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