Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

[crunch]

The group has devised a hybrid plan that combines part of the first option with the second one -- "Go Long" -- and calls for cutting the U.S. combat presence in favor of a long-term expansion of the training and advisory efforts. Under this mixture of options, which is gaining favor inside the military, the U.S. presence in Iraq, currently about 140,000 troops, would be boosted by 20,000 to 30,000 for a short period, the officials said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/19/AR2006111901249_pf.html

 

[jtexas]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

I don't know why the question of "when to pull out" of Iraq is even on the table. If Iraq is to be our ally then why would we not keep a permanent base there. I'm just disappointed in our inability to put an end to the violence. For the record, I first proposed a permanent Iraqi base on iboats a long time ago, I'm sure I could find it if there were a decent search engine around here. [no, I mean I posted an idea on iboats about a permanent U.S. base in Iraq, not an Iraqi base on iboats]

btw, ya gotta love a paragraph like this:
"That combination plan, which one defense official called "Go Big but Short While Transitioning to Go Long," could backfire if Iraqis suspect it is really a way for the United States to moonwalk out of Iraq -- that is, to imitate singer Michael Jackson's trademark move of appearing to move forward while actually sliding backward. "If we commit to that concept, we have to accept upfront that it might result in the opposite of what we want," the official said."

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

Jtexas, that paragraph does have alot of meaning. I'm all for a permanent base in Iraq. We put some in every country we attacked after WW2. Why not Iraq? I am with you on that one.

I just wish we could stop the violence. We aren't doing a good job at that. I guess if that many want to blow people up only a 24/7 curfew will prevent it from happening.

 

[crunch]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

I don't know why the question of "when to pull out" of Iraq is even on the table. If Iraq is to be our ally then why would we not keep a permanent base there.

Good in theory but I'm afraid it's not practical. Iran and Syria will continue to support the terrorist until we do pull out, or put 1/2 a million men in there and cram it down their throats.

"That combination plan, which one defense official called "Go Big but Short While Transitioning to Go Long," could backfire if Iraqis suspect it is really a way for the United States to moonwalk out of Iraq -- that is, to imitate singer Michael Jackson's trademark move of appearing to move forward while actually sliding backward. "If we commit to that concept, we have to accept upfront that it might result in the opposite of what we want," the official said."

Again, it isn't that the Iraqis will see the "moon walking", although they will, it's that the Iranians and Syrians will.... and they will just step up the violence until we cave.

Have you noticed all of the overtures Iran and Syria have made to Iraq since the mid term elections?... and the conditions for help they have laid on the US?

They aren't doing this out of the goodness of their heart, it's our heart they have their eye on.

 

[crunch]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

And BTW, the results of the mid term elections.

In their eyes, it was a vote to cut and run.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

And BTW, the results of the mid term elections.

In their eyes, it was a vote to cut and run.

I'd been thinking that was just the media spin, that whole "voters sent a message" message, but I'm wondering now if maybe I was wrong. It's just, what in the heck kind of idiot votes away from their preferred candidate just to "send a message." How the heck are they supposed to know what "message" you're sending? Who're we sending it to? The 'Publicans? The heck are they supposed to do about it now? I've always doubted the wisdom of "single-issue voting" but do we really become a whole nation of single-issue voters? That really bothers me - I need to go fishing and stop thinkin bout it for a while.

[btw, what I liked about the moon-walk paragraph was the style, not so much the content. At least its good to know somebody's lookin at all the angles. I mean, I know those guys are pretty intellegent, but sometimes you gotta wonder...]

 

[QC]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

I've always doubted the wisdom of "single-issue voting"

Now there's an example of the jtex I thought I was in sync with. Agree 100%, and I now expand it to be the whole party. I hated it when I realised this. Really felt like I gave up a lot, but pragmatism won out. And if you think about it, your overall views ARE ultimately most directly felt and realised with a whole party behind you. Sorry for the OT. I was ignoring this thread as I thought it was about football . . . :$

 

[crunch]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

Now there's an example of the jtex I thought I was in sync with

Is just me?.. or has the whole tenor of Jtex changed since he came back from the White House? (Jtexas, this is not meant as a slam, I feel I am now over stocked in my BS flags... I like that. )

I was ignoring this thread as I thought it was about football . . .

I can pretty much guarantee you'll never see my name on a football post. 8)

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

Jtexas, that paragraph does have alot of meaning. I'm all for a permanent base in Iraq. We put some in every country we attacked after WW2. Why not Iraq? I am with you on that one.

I just wish we could stop the violence. We aren't doing a good job at that. I guess if that many want to blow people up only a 24/7 curfew will prevent it from happening.

Indeed it does, how about that. So the demo's plan is much the same as the republicican's That is 1.Leave (not a option) or the other two.......... Ya know what .....it sound's like one party terrorized there way into a election.

At first the war is terrible it's wrong were not going to win let's get out it's mismanaged....etc etc etc.

So send in the troops up the draft....Rosie where the He@@ are you............. we need you now .........

Do we want to win or lose Ohhh Rosie Ohhh Rosie

Yes i think this last election was fair and balanced........one party embolden's terrisom with dissent on it's own self and now is spinning it back to a escalation of action.........

 

[crunch]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

So the demo's plan is much the same as the republicican's

Of course it was, or is (depends on the definition of “is” ), that's assuming they had a plan at all... unfortunately for the Dems, the real world facts of this World War III, and the real makeup of this new "Democratic Congress" are going to make the hard core leadership look like a bunch of stumbling idiots.... worse than they have already shone.

Look at what has already happened since the election.

Iran has declared the West has accepted a Nuclear Iran.

Violence, killing, and abductions in Iraq has at least doubled.

Syria has opened diplomatic relations with Iraq and will open a new Embassy next week.

Iran will do the same before the week is out, or early next week.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Iran and Syria didn't introduce troops in the next few months and start shooting at US troops.

Whether you like it or not, Iraq and Afghanistan are the battle ground between radical Islam (terrorists) and Western civilization... if we cut and run, or even fail to "Go Big", we will lose this battle and the war will come much closer to home.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

custombycrunch

No crunch they will not. Right now there just talking a talk.......... 8) it's a age old game there just trying to find out how much resolve this new admin has,

If you think that post i just posted is absurd, reality is about to hit you right in you lady like eye.(no one person targeted here)

The gentlmen from the middle east know just how decieveing our politics can be and dangerous.

there testing the water's and its ramification's..........

For now ......this new party is going to be like shooting fish in a barrel...........

 

[jtexas]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

Now there's an example of the jtex I thought I was in sync with

Is just me?.. or has the whole tenor of Jtex changed since he came back from the White House? (Jtexas, this is not meant as a slam, I feel I am now over stocked in my BS flags... I like that. )

Same politics...maybe a little different approach...one other thing that happened, too - the election...I seem to have a natural inclination to be more critical of, maybe expect more from, the party in power. I did have a couple seconds with the President, we chatted about baseball (he's a former owner of the MLB team where I live) - he's a likeable guy.

 

[crunch]

Re: Go Big, Go Long, or Go Home.

What ever it was Jtex, I feel debating the issues with you will, in the future, make more sense to both of us... God Bless.