Gas gauge readings inaccurate

ufm82

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Re: Gas gauge readings inaccurate

cyclops, where do you think the pick-up is? At the top of the tank? No, of course not. It is ideally at the lowest point in the tank, right where all the "sediment" settles. Unless the pick-up is not installed properly, is broken or otherwise compromised, this is the way it is in the vast majority of fuel tanks.
Granted, a vehicle tank sees a much higher turn-frequency (that is, it is emptied/refilled more often) than most boats, there are still many that sit for weeks. I've heard the adage about the "bottom of the tank" for years. But in many years of automotive work I've yet to see a fuel tank with significant sediment in it. In fact, during the early 90's Ford recalled Taurus vehicles for fuel tank defects. They swelled with heat and then the gauges read wrong. I replaced literally hundreds of tanks and I can honestly say that I found none with the feared "sediment". Unless you drive around without your gas cap off I don't know how it would all get it there. (Water is the exception) I can say with 100% certainty that when vandalism happens and somebody dumps stuff in the tank, it doesn't matter how much gas you have in it. It will clog the pick up very quickly. I've seen sand, dirt, and yes, sugar. The pick-up gets it right away.
Now that being said, I'm not saying it cannot happen. However, I am saying that running tank near to or all the way empty won't cause you issues in the vast majority of cases. Just my $.02.
 

Home Cookin'

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UFM, I agree with you, but there is a factor: when the fuel gets low, the impurities are more concentrated in the fuel that is left. Also the sloshing action of an almost empty tank will dislodge more stuff off the bottom. therefore you ar emore likely to suck up an amount of impurities that might affect the motor a bit.

if the bottom pick-up was such a problem, they would be installed on floats. Probably should be for E-10.
 

ufm82

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But that's my point. Haven't you ever tried to drive your car while holding an open cup of coffee or pop? Even with the dampening of the tires, shocks and your own hand, it's tough. Now think of fuel in an unbaffled vessel that is firmly attached to the hull. And then run the hull on water. If it is anything but glass you get vibrations. Add even chop or 1 footers and the ride is pretty violent, relatively speaking to a car's ride. The fuel will slosh at any level where there is an air pocket in the tank. And I contend that unless the boat sits for a long, long time between uses, there will not be any "stuff", especially if the boat is cared for properly.
But I stray from the OP's point. I do it like hog- I know about what the boat burns, keep track of time run and guesstimate, using the gauge as one more component to my educated guess. Haven't run out yet but have gotten what I thought was close...
 

cyclops2

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Well some people do get the bottom of the the refinery tank. The tank truck bottom+ whatever the tanker carried before. Whater ever was washed into a below ground marina fuel tank during a big storm. The Fuel filter left out at the marina pump. The moisture of a almost empty fuel tank every winter.

I have convinced enough people that they have dirty tanks many times. It is a time consuming job to clean out a built in tank. Outboards are far simpler to correct.
Problem is I have found 1940s old woodies with spotless insides. There seems to be no reasoing why some tanks are a mess & others are not.

The only time I want " the bottom of the barrell " is when I am drinking Octoberfest Beer. :)

Rich
 

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Re: Gas gauge readings inaccurate

1. Installed fuel gauges in boats are historically not accurate.
2. You now know you're empty at 1/8th, don't go there again.
3. Start with a full tank (in the water, at the dock), go do your thing keeping #2 in mind. Fill it up back at the dock. Compare that amount with the known capacity of the tank, mentally calibrate your gauge, remembering #2.
4. Have a back-up plan when getting into the bottom third of a any fuel gauge of unknown accuracy ... ;)
 

cyclops2

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Well put Outsider. You do put the towing to about zero times.

Rich
 

Silvertip

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You cannot calibrate a fuel gauge by bending the float arm on the sender. If you calibrate the gauge so it reads empty when the tank is empty, it may not read accurately at half or full. If you set it for full it will read wrong when the tank is empty. Since you know when the tank is full (because you filled it at the pump) calibrate the gauge for an accurate "empty" reading because that is when you either swim or wait for a tow or fuel delivery. The optimal solution is to install a fuel flow monitor. It tells you how much fuel you burned, how much is left, what the flow rate it at any throttle setting.
 

cyclops2

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First rule...........Never trust any equipment. I DO carry a 24 " stick to check the 6 gallon tank if I screw up down stream & am not sure I can make it back. I carry 2.. 6 gallon tanks. Full one in the bow as a reserve. I always try to leave 1/4 of a tank in the " empty " one. a 9.9 hp motor can do plenty of miles @ 1/2 throttle.

Screwed up 1 time. That is why I have 2 ..6 1/2' oars in new condition. Row, anchor, row, anchor. I was teaching my self a lesson. DO NOT RUN DRY !!

There were gas pumps all around me. I was rubbing my own nose in the poop I had created. I remember hard knocks better than information, when I get lazy.
 

Philster

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The 24" stick is equipment, too, but you trust that.

The lesson here is to know how accurate and dependable your various pieces of equipment are... or... leave some room for error because there are often too many variables to account for... and understand the quirks and idiosyncrasies of the stuff you operate. You should know far better than anyone else as far as your vessel is concerned.

I couldn't imagine running any boat down to 1/8 tank. I'm not going to find out how accurate my gauge is today, because it might not be that way next month.
 

cyclops2

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As a NOTE on safety of fuel guages. At our museum.

ALL ALL ALL boat captains MUST measure the amount of fuel in the fuel tank with a WOOD yard stick before leaving on rides with the public.

Russian Roulette is great fun, if you are the guy carrying the bullets.:)

Rich
 

Philster

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But you said never trust any equipment. The stick is equipment; ergo, don't trust the stick.
 

cyclops2

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Some of our captains are older than the sticks. :D
 

Philster

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You know I just like bustin' your chops, right, Rich?

:)
 
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