full or empty fuel tank

c21fishing

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i have been reading on the web and getting mixed results so just wanted to know peoples advice and why? i have a 24gal fuel tank on my boat it will be stored outside should i leave the tank full or empty. thanks
 

Fireman431

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

I store my full (with stabilizer) every year. Mine is an aluminum tank, so storing it full means zero condensation forms. Moisture will form in mine, especially if it's cold on the bottom (sits in the water) and warm on top (from the cabin heater).

I don't know if the condensation will form in a fiberglass tank or not.
 

rallyart

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

Full.
Air picks up and releases moisture as temperature changes. The less air in your tank, the less moisture in your tank.
 

paultjohnson

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For 20 yrs I have stored my boat [plastic tank ] with 1/3 tank or less of stabalized non -oxy fuel. Then fill er up with fresh before the 1st start of the season. Have never had a fuel sys problem. Always starts and runs perfectly.
I store my 77 cutlass with a full tank to minimize rust from condensation. [metal tank]
 

Fed

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

Empty.

This has been done to death but seriously Fireman I'd like to know the ins and outs of your post.
Moisture will form in mine, especially if it's cold on the bottom (sits in the water) and warm on top (from the cabin heater).
Really curious about what you're seeing, if you couldn't be bothered I'll fully understand because most times I couldn't be bothered either.
 

BoatNoobie

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

there's a huge thread about it recently, do a quick search. But the census is pretty much split.

I got a 20 something gallon tank in my Lowe. Had about 10 gallons left. Oh yeah, the gas was almost 4 years old. I decided to pump it all out.

Found a hand pump at HarborFreights for super cheap and took maybe 20 mins at most to pump it all out.

I dont know if it's 100% dry inside, but I wasnt getting anymore gas out of the nipple. I will try to pump it again when spring comes around to see if anything comes out....
 

Fireman431

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

Empty.

This has been done to death but seriously Fireman I'd like to know the ins and outs of your post.

Really curious about what you're seeing, if you couldn't be bothered I'll fully understand because most times I couldn't be bothered either.

It's not so much what I'm seeing (after all, it is a closed aluminum tank) but what I've read and my understanding about the formation of condensation.

I know that metal will react like your windshield on a humid or cold morning. The temperature and humidity difference outside the auto vs inside the auto will always create a film of condensation on the windshield. From my point of view, the metal gas tank will do the same.

If the tank is say, half full, the bottom of the tank sits on the stringers/hull of the boat and therefore will assume a degree of temperature associated with the water underneath. This is the Law of Latent Heat Flow, whereas, heat will flow from a warmer object to a cooler object. In this case, the intrinsic temp of the tank and contents will cool in proportion to the water/hull temp.

Now, the top of the tank sits just inches from the floor of the boat. As the heat/AC is set at 68 degrees during the winter months, it would stand to reason that the top of the tank would, to some degree, assume the temp of the cabin sole. Warmer aluminum on the top and cooler aluminum on the bottom. I know this happens as I can literally feel the 20 degree temp difference when running my hand from the top of the tank to the bottom (large tank - 300 gallons).

I can only assume if it were partially empty that there would be some condensation forming in there due to the temp difference and the fact that it's vented to the outside, but I could be totally off-base. Doing this for 3+ years now, I have never had a fuel/water related problem yet. That could also be due to the fact that I never let fuel sit long enough to truly go bad. I burn the crap out of it. That's why I have a boat. To use it. No dock queen here. None-the-less, I still replace my fuel/water separators every 100 hours and there might not even be a drop of water in them.

If you have a different (read: correct) school of thought, please let me know. I'm always open to learning something that might benefit me.

Thanks for reading.
 

jeeperman

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

Store the tank empty and with the fill cap on and the vent line opening closed off.

If air can not get in, the only condensation that you will have is what was in there when you closed it up.
 

cribber

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We always fill the tank on our way home from a day out so our next trip out that's one less thing to do to trailer down to the ramp. This is one of those situations where everyone is evenly divided over full or empty. If you keep it full just ensure you add the appropriate amount of Stabil or Seafoam and you'll have a tank of fuel ready to go when the temps get back to comfortable for your area. I prefer to keep my tank full since I live in a very humid climate here in Florida.
 

DaNinja

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The StarCraft was put away with a full (55 gallons) of non-ethanol fuel. We had some water issues this past season with water in a partial tank of ethanol fuel, so I did neither this winter.

We always put aircraft away with a full tank, as well.

Everything I'm reading says "dry tank" or "full tank".
 

Fed

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Thanks Fireman, I confess to being a non believer in fuel tank condesation but your special circumstances with a cold tank & warm A/C got my interest.
Would love to see how you went with an empty tank.
I'm still waiting for mythbusters to put it to rest one way or another.
 

Fireman431

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Re: full or empty fuel tank

Thanks Fireman, I confess to being a non believer in fuel tank condesation but your special circumstances with a cold tank & warm A/C got my interest.
Would love to see how you went with an empty tank.
I'm still waiting for mythbusters to put it to rest one way or another.

Next time I go to the boat, I'll look into the fuel fill with a match and see if I see any consensation. :eek:

I should be landing somewhere near Sydney after that. I'll let you know what I found out! :D
 
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