Found My Boat - Water Ready 21' 1974 Chieftain

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Re: Found My Boat - Water Ready 21' 1974 Chieftain

NMW - Chinook pis will work too. Heck some sardine pics will do. LOL
 

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Your request is my command! Saturday, I hit the Pacific with a buddy of my mine to fish for Halibut. The ocean was relatively calm, with 4-5 ft swells, 1 ft wind waves at about 8 seconds. We decided to stay fairly close to shore so we cruised for about an hour to a spot I had fished before. After a couple of hours of getting the drift down using 2lb weights, I hooked-up with a very nice Halibut. It took me 30 minutes to bring it up to the surface. My friend and I decided we needed to harpoon her before bringing her into the boat. Of course as soon as the butt saw the harpoon, it dove 50 ft with my drag set at max, ~20 lbs. Five minutes later, I had her to the surface and my friend managed to get a clean shot. It was 54" long and weighed approximately 77 lbs. I have never tried to lift 77lbs of slimy butt into the boat and it was a tough, especially when my arms were operating like wet noodles from bringing the barn door to the surface. I'll be back at it this weekend if the Ocean cooperates.
 

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Re: Found My Boat - Water Ready 21' 1974 Chieftain

Super awesome, love that sunrise shot:D
 

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Looks like a great day.... Good luck this weekend!
 

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That ain't no sardine, NMW. Nice one, ought to fill some of the freezer up.
 

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Yep, the freezer is full of Halibut. Went out again Saturday and I couldn't find a Halibut. Licking my wounds, Sunday I went hunting for bottom fish with friends. We landed one Ling Cod and several species of rock fish. Good eats.

Now for the boat maintenance news. I discovered the bottom paint on the transom was flaking-off. I took a closer look and found several old screws that were used to hold transducer mounts had been painted. I removed the paint and screws and found galvanic corrosion around each of the screws. I then removed the boat zinc I discovered that the PO and placed the zinc over paint, making it virtually useless. It looks like I have some work ahead of me to remove all of the paint on the transom to see the extent of the corrosion. The good news is that I didn't notice any leaks. I'm happy that I found this out now and not on the water. Yes, she was water ready, but for a couple trips...GULP!
 

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where was the zinc on your boat? i'd love to see a pic as i need to add one to mine

good point on those screws and the galvanic corrosion. many of use have similar screws courtesy of POs and there's a temptation to ignore em if they aren't leaking. but it seems like at a minimum, they should be replaced with alum rivets glopped with 5200
 

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Here's a pic of the zinc outlined in red. The location is good and it should have been working. Placing the zinc over several layers of paint made it ineffective. It needs to be touching freshly cleaned, bright aluminium.

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I've started stripping the the paint off of the transom and found a fair amount of corrosion. My plan is to remove all of the bottom paint until I find clean aluminium.

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I'll then coat the aluminium with strontium chromate epoxy primer paint. The large holes will receive aluminium rivets with 5200. The smaller holes will receive JB Waterweld. The crevices will be filled with JB Weld. I'll then sand the repairs to create a good, flat painting surfaces. My next step will be to apply two coats of Pettit Tie Coat Primer, which is a thick rubber compound paint. Finally, I will apply the Pettit hard ablative Vivid Free bottom paint to match what is on the boat.

To attach the transducers to the boat, I'll buy a cheap polyethylene cutting board, cut it to size, scar the back side with a saw tooth file, then use JB Weld to attach the cutting board to the boat (note: I will attach the cutting board directly to the aluminum and not to the paint). I'll then use JB Waterweld to fill the gap between the cutting board and the boat to prevent water intrusion. I'll attach the tranducer bracket to the cutting board so I don't have more holes in my boat. I did this to another boat and the attachment is still solid after hundreds of hours on the water.

To attach the annode (switching from zinc to aluminium), I'll insert two bolts through the transom (inside/out). The annode will then be bolted to throught bolts. This will make it easy to replace the anode.

That's the plan. What do you think?
 

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sounds great. i was going to do something very similar for my transducer etc mounting cept i was going to just bolt board on, well above the waterline. this also makes sonar upgrades easy

i've read the entire galvanic corrosion section in Calder's book, but still am not quite clear on a couple of things. 1) doesn't the shiny aluminum right under the anode get surface corrosion long before the anode is ready for replacement? do you need to rescuff it periodically? 2) why the switch to aluminum? i'd thought that for salt water, you wanted your anode as low on the "nobility table" (for lack of better word) as possible and only thing better than zinc is magnesium
 

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Yes, the aluminium under the anode needs to be cleaned periodically to ensure the anode properly works. That is another reason why I plan to attach the anode with though-bolts. All I need to due is unscrew the nut to remove the anode, clean-up the surface, then "hang" the anode through the bolts, then tighten the nut.

The newer mil spec aluminium anodes are less noble than zinc and will actually degrade faster in salt water than zinc anodes. In brackish water, like at the mouth of Columbia river and a lot harbors with rivers dumping fresh water into them, I believe aluminium anodes work better than zinc. Since I plan to do most of my boating in brackish and salt water, I believed the mil spec aluminium anodes are the best fit for my environment. I will have to change them more often, but I'd rather do that then find more suprises down the road.

Here's a pretty good chart to help decide which type of anode to use:


Per the chart, "Aluminum hulls are susceptible to corrosion in all water types. In salt or brackish water use zinc or aluminum anodes. In freshwater, use more active magnesium anodes (preferred) or aluminum anodes. Caution: Magnesium anodes should never be used on aluminum metal in salt water."

Now when it comes down to it, I really don't need the anodes, because I will be trailering my boat. However, I do plan to spend long weekends on the water. When I do that, I will moore my boat and sleep on it. Most of our marinas are "hot" from on-shore power sources and glass boats not isolating their electrical currents properly, turning the marina into one big battery. I do want to protect the boat from those electrical currents.
 

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from what i understand, some marinas are so "hot" that you can't put enough anodes on your boat to keep it from corroding. but i'll have the exact same conditions as you describe....mostly trailer stored but in a marina slip in salt water for 5 days at a time 4-5 times/year. Marina is in Mexico and given what i've seen of electrical wiring down there, i'd assume that the Marina San Carlos could also be called the Marina Pila. totally aside from the cruisers from across the world with unknown quality shore-power connections.

your anode plan is also just about what i was thinking of but i guess i'll use alum ones. how are you planning on water sealing the bolt holes? lots of 5200 on inside of hull?

thanks for the info and your time to type it up! super useful info, esp, given that galv corrosion is one of the few things that can destroy the hulls of all our boats....
 

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Glad to be of help. Thanks! I can imagine the issues you face in Mexico. All of us tin owners really need to be careful anytime we keep a boat overnight in a marina - fresh or salt water.

For items that I want a solid, epoxy sealant that bonds and repels water, I use 3M 5200. For through-hull items that I may need to replace, remove, change, etc., such as the anode bolts, transducer wires, bilge fittings, etc., I use dolfinite bedding compound. The stuff is great, because locks out water, forms a seal that can be painted, but does not create a strong, permanent bond. The drawback is that over time, if it is subject to wear and tear more will need to be added. But I look at as standard stuff as I inspect my boats often and make repairs as needed. I have also used dolfinite to seal seams between deck boards and as quick sealant on windows when I'm on the water or notice an issue that will take a bit more time for a long term fix. It can also be used below the water level.
 

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Nomrwrk,
Excellent share here on the info, greatly appreciated, just keep learning more and more every day. Over here in Idaho but fish the orgeon coast 12 to 15 times a year... Guess i gotta check into the anode thing. By the way sweet boat you picked up my friend.
Robert
 

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gracias, senor. what i'm thinking of doing is mounting the bolts for anode with heads on the inside so they stick out sorta like studs, to make it easy to change anodes. prolly thread the bolts through a thicker alum "plate" first before sticking projecting ends through transom skin, so they don't move around during the anode changes. any thoughts or input appreciated.

i''m planning on using a milspec alum anode per your rec from a Canuck outfit called Martyr (wotta perfect name....) and hope they continue to be available in the bolt spacing i set up. might buy a few to stockpile. i actually thought about getting one to fit some common application and drilling for it, but i suspect slotted univ ones will be out there.
 

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Glad to hear that my posts are helpful. Thanks! She is a sweet ride (no pun intended). I thought you guys might like an update on the work to date.

After removing all of the paint and uncovering the corrosion that was hidden from me, I painted the the aluminum with strontium chromate epoxy primer - the yellow paint. I then filled the crevices with JB weld and repaired the old screw holes. After that I added two coats of Pettit Tie Coat Epoxy (rubber compound paint) and four coats of Vivid Free Hard Ablative Anti Fouling paint - forgot to take pictures throughout the whole process. The end result looks pretty good I think.

Since I didn't have the aluminum hull anode at the time of painting I painted the whole transom. Once I had the anode made by Martyr (good choice barato2) in hand it took me a bit of time to figure out where I should locate the anode. I couldn't use the original location, because much of that aluminum had been covered with JB. I thought about placing the anode under the swim ladder, but I had two transducers on that side. I was concerned that the anode would somehow negatively impact tranducer readings - on steel boats you can't have the anode in line with transducer. So I decided to place the anode on the port side. After lots of measurements I lined up the anode to be below the water line and the bolt holes with the transom board and the deck (I wanted the bolt mounts to go through the transom wood, but be above the deck for easy access). I then removed the paint for the the size of the anode. What I found out was the paint job I did was strong. It took good angle grinder with a wire brush to remove the paint layer by layer.

After more measuring, I took a deep breadth and started drilling the holes. I started with a small bit and gradually increased the hole size to a 1/2", the size of the mounting bolts. Once the holes were drilled, I filled them with Dolfinite bedding compound then inserted the bolts. The bedding compound will seal the holds so water can't get in, but allow me to remove the bolts if needed. I used 3 1/2" stainless steal mounting bolts with star lock washers. I could have used 3" length bolts, but I prefer the bolts to be bit longer than needed. For good measure, on the outside of the bolts, against the hull I used a small amount of 5200 to fill the space between the bolts and the holes. The end result is what you see in the picture.

Other work completed includes mounting and wiring two windshield wipers, temporarily fixing the dog house (the edges were fraid, so I glued them and added cover the edges with Gorilla tape). I added some cup holders I had laying around from another boat to hold weights, a cheap cutting board to cut bait, rod holders (3 each side of the dog house) and a tool holder on the front for easy access to pliers, scissors and knives.

After much heartache trying to find a good 4 stroke extra long shaft kicker with electric and manual start, I broke down, sold some stuff I wasn't using and bought a new Yamaha 9.9 High Thrust kicker motor. After speaking with a lot of folks, I really wanted a kicker with auto tilt and F-N-R controls on the tiller. Yamaha seemed the best way to go. Its a new 2011 model I picked-up on sale. Plus, I rationalized to my better half that I need a new reliable motor in case the old 165 brokedown.

Next step is to hang two 1/4" thick rubber mats between the dog house, the sides and the floor to stop spray from entering the engine/battery compartments. I originally had more elaborate plans, but that will make a good winter project.

Tight Lines!

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