FBI and illegal phone taps.

rolmops

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Today in a news conference ,Robert Mueller, admitted that the FBI engaged in illegal phone tapping.
What I like about him is that he took full responsibility for what happened and did not look for some small bureaucrat to dump the blame on.On top of that he said that the force will be retrained and the rules will be made a lot clearer.
It seems that we are beginning to see a different wind blowing in Washington
 

heycods

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Jack Bower uses them all time why cant he?
 

PW2

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I hope you are correct, Rolmops.
We just had a bunch of US attorneys fired, all with good performance reviews, for what appears to be purely political reasons.
Apparently under terms of the Patriot Act, the President can appoint replacements with no confirmation process and oversight.

When we start politicizing the judicial system, we are going down a dangerous road, IMO.
 

WillyBWright

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Almost every day that goes by, Dubya looks more and more like a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Hopefully a few more Neocons have been educated about the absolute inevetability of abuses precipitated by the Big Brother Act (some people call it Patriot, but i call it what it is).
 

Bondo

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When we start politicizing the judicial system, we are going down a dangerous road, IMO.

As if the Liberals haven't been Legislating from the Bench,... For Years.....
 

Vlad D Impeller

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By condoning the politics of what is good for the goose is good for the gander, risk alienating the rest of the farm at your peril.:(
 

Parrott_head

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Bond-o said:
When we start politicizing the judicial system, we are going down a dangerous road, IMO.

As if the Liberals haven't been Legislating from the Bench,... For Years.....


I agree with Bond-o's point that there has been a liberalization of the court system for quite some time.

The difference is that previous changes were pretty much out in the open and moved a glacial speed. Two things I think are correct when it comes to judicial jurisprudence.

Now we seem to be drifting towards a situation where rogue investigators can review the business records of anyone they wish with no oversight or notification of those being investigated. It would be pretty easy for officials of ANY party to encourage agents to review the business dealings of rivals or their families in hopes of finding dirt. If dirt cannot be found perhaps it could be planted. Think J. Edgar Hoover.

The other issue is the sacking of US attorneys and replacing them without review.

News reports state that one of the attorneys was contacted about an ongoing investigation involving a rival party's nominee. The attorney refused to comment on the ongoing investigation for proper reasons. He has since been relieved of duty.
This sends a clear message to the other attorneys, do what we say or get sacked and replaced by someone that sees things our way.

Think of the judicial system as a giant political flywheel. It is slow to changes in speed. This is the way it should be to offer some sort of moderation to our political system. Granted there are times is may be too slow to change but we really don't want one that immediately marches to the cadence of whatever political party gained control of the other two branches of government.


A bit of a cut and paste from Associated Press

However, job performance was not cited as a reason for firing Bogden or for the removal of Bud Cummins of Little Rock, Ark. Cummins was replaced by an assistant recently returned from Iraq who had worked in the White House under Karl Rove.

No successor has been announced for Bogden. Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney Steven Myhre is filling the position on an interim basis.

Bogden told the committee that after 16 1/2 years in the Justice Department, including more than five years as chief prosecutor for Nevada, it was a "traumatic and emotional" to be told his government career was over.

Bogden, who began serving in October 2001, noted that he received positive marks in a 2003 evaluation of his office, and high grades in 2005 for prosecutions of white collar crime, drugs, public corruption, organized crime, identify theft and crime in Indian country.

Bogden testified he was asked Dec. 7 to step down by Michael Battle, director of the executive office of U.S. attorneys, but was not given a reason.

He said acting Associate Attorney General William Mercer, a friend and a U.S. attorney from Montana, told him the Bush administration had a two-year window to name new United States attorneys.

Bogden said he understood the appointments would allow the administration to place prosecutors in positions to build their resumes and get experience for possible elevation to federal judge "or other political type positions."

"So you were told you were being fired to make way for some Republican loyalist or political up-and-comer who the administration wanted to pad their resume?" said Rep, Melvin Watt, D-N.C.

"That's what it seemed to me," Bogden said.
 

sid the squid

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Re: FBI and illegal phone taps.

WillyBWright said:
Almost every day that goes by, Dubya looks more and more like a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Hopefully a few more Neocons have been educated about the absolute inevetability of abuses precipitated by the Big Brother Act (some people call it Patriot, but i call it what it is).

How short the liberal memory seems to be, or maybe they just have selectivre memories. When slick willy was elected one of the first things he did was to fire and replace a majority of states attorney's. This has nothing to do with the patriot act. The only difference between clinton and Bush's firings are the way they are reported by the libs in the media .
 

BoatBuoy

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Since there's such disgust by the conservatives for "slick willy", I don't understand why he's the yardstick used for judging.
 

Parrott_head

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Sid has has brought up a good point.

I've done some surfing and there is quite a bit of discussion about what Mr. Clinton did and what has been happening lately.

What is difficult to determine is how often a sitting president has replaced a number of US Attorneys in the middle of a term.

This is a part of the Department of Justice that I have little experience with, anyone care to illuminate?
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Evidently these attorneys may have been Republicans who were not totally in sync with the party line. :%
 

Parrott_head

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There are some quotes of Mr. Weh, head of the New Mexico Republican party, in which he claims he protested to Mr. Rove about the lack of charges being brought against Democratic politicians.
The US Attorney in this case, David Iglesias, was appointed by President Bush in 2000.

Mr. Iglesias bio is here.
latimes.com/news/la-na-iglesias7mar07,0,7385914.story?track=mostviewed-homepage

Due to the software limitations you will have to C and P the above.
 

treedancer

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I believe that President Clinton appointed the US attorneys right after his election didn’t he? I wonder what kind of firestorm it would have started if he had tried to replace them when he was facing impeachment?
 

12Footer

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How can the left expect the terrorists to win with such renegades as this on the loose? They should immediately "defund" the FBI.

 
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