Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

[texasduckhunter]

I just ordered my new War Eagle duck hunting and fishing boat. I am still unsure what motor to hang from the back. I looked at Yamaha's 115 four stroke and the Evinrude E-TEC I have made up my mind to go with the E-TEC but would like some expert advise so I don't make any mistakes that I will regret.

 

[JB]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

The only stuff any of us know about the E Tec is what we read in the mags and press releases.<br /><br />Since you have volunteered to be our tester, we look forward to your reports.

 

[josip_voyager]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

I agree with JB. I would rather wait for a couple of years and see E-tec outboards on the field. Yamaha F 115 is pretty long on the market and well tested by the audience, and majority of problems are now gone.<br />Every manufacturer has a problem with new engines (for example Honda has to call all customers who bought their flagship BF 225 in firs couple of months-check it on Honda Australia if it is still there).<br />If you buy new engine, I would also suggest other manufacturers (Honda, Suzuki, Mercury). They all have four strokes outboards in that power range (90-150 PS).<br />Theoretically Evinrude E-tec probably has a nice future, and I red a lot of tests, comparison and discussion in nautical magazines, but I don't want to buy something which is new on the market (it's like buying first series of a new model in car industry).

 

[bossee]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Hi,<br />Evinrude E-Tec seems good in theory and on paper. But it is unproven technology.<br /><br />It is much safer to instead select the Yamaha F115 (2004 model is even CARB 3-star rated now) since it has been on the market for many years. I own a Yamaha F115 (2003) myself and do not hesitate to recommend it to other. Good luck.<br /><br />/Bo

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Hello<br /> the E-tek from what I read is the greatest thing since sliced white bread. but then so was FICT Optimax and HPDI, I am shy of new tech stuff now. espesially if I have to pay for it. if the outboard motor companies had to deal with us like auto manufactures we would be much better off. anyway let us know how the E-tek goes

 

[texasduckhunter]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

I changed my order this morning to the yamaha 115 four stroke. After all the e-mails and phone calles with both Yamaha and Evinrude dealers I felt uneasy with the Evinrude. I even hade several Evinrude dealers tell me to rethink the E-TEC. Thanks for all your help! I cant wait to get my new boat.

 

[M13]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Any Evinrude dealer that told you to re-think your decision about the E-tec motors is the dealer that is not educated about the technology that Bombardier has developed. Call Bombardier directly for technical and warranty information on these motors. The E-tec motors will soon become a benchmark of the industry. Current four-stroke technology can not produce the results you will get from an E-tec engine in a comparable horsepower range. Remember this is a Bombardier product, not a 1997-2000 OMC product!

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

The 2004 E-TEC motors are only from 40 thru 90hp. The 115 Evinrude is the Direct Injected style, that is a dependable motor. Either style has a full 3 year warranty that does not limit coverage like the Yamaha warranty.

 

[texasduckhunter]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

I had several Evinrude dealers tell me to<br />rethink the E-TEC because the technology was not proven and they were not giong to put their name on the line for Bombardier. I spoke to one of the tech at Evinrude and ask him for some names of dealers who were testing this engine and he would not give me any info. The only info I could find about testing of the E-TEC was Proctor Marine in B.C. If you know anymore about the E-TEC then please let me know. I have ordered my boat, but it will take 3 weeks to build so I have time to change my order.

 

[P.V.]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

E-tecs will be released from the factory to dealers and boat builders tomorrow at 10 am. Boat builders have had limited run time as have some dealers. The reports are that the Bomb may have hit a home run on this... You/we will find out very shortly. I am of the belief that they are not gunna send out a product that dosn't run as expected. Those days are now gone as they and the competition can't afford to ....... consumer's are too picky and won't put up with it.... Dealers too!! You may want to see how this plays out, it could be interesting!!!

 

[Forktail]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

"E-tecs will be released from the factory to dealers and boat builders tomorrow at 10 am."<br /><br />Have they released the specs and pricing to consumers yet?<br /><br />The F115 is proven, powerful, efficient, durable, quiet, and extremely reliable. I've got nearly 3,000 salt hours on a pair with zero problems.<br /><br />How can you compare that to an unproven 90 hp E-tech that we know very little about?<br /><br />This is a no brainer.

 

[josip_voyager]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

I can only inform you that largest European powerboat magazine (German Boote) in its last issue have compared Evinrude E-tec engines with four strokes. Test is very detailed and precise (that's German magazine), and you can even download whole article in PDF format (Adobe Acrobat Reader is required). Here is a link:<br /> http://www.boote-magazin.de/bto/boote_artikel/show.php3?id=519&nodeid=1&nodeid=64&artikel=long <br />They compare Evinrude 50 E-tec with Johnson (Suzuki) 50 four strokes engine.<br />I am still study the article, but once again everything is there.<br />For those who don't speak German language, I can translate the main parts, but there are still a lot of graphs, tables... that anybody can understand (in Internet you can also find a lot of free translators).

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

forktail,<br /><br />Pricing has been available for several months now. Have you talked to a dealer?<br /><br />Specs have been published in the magazines and on the web site.

 

[Forktail]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

seahorse, what is the price and weight of an E-tech 90 hp?<br /><br />The dealer here seems lost on E-tech pricing. He's still trying to peddle his remaining 2001-2003 models.<br /><br />Also I find no specs at Evinrude's web site. Seems odd considering the hype. Maybe you could reference a link from their site for me? Thanks.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Authorized dealers have had access to the prices and specs since early September.<br /><br />The 20" 90 E-TEC weighs 305, and puts out its power at 5000 rpm. As you read this, motors are being shipped to boat companies and dealerships.<br /><br />The following link is one dealer's pricing<br /><br /> http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/evinrude.htm

 

[SeaDawg]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Fellas, if Bombaadier is so sure of the e-tec product technology, why have they recently sold off the Johnson/Evinrude division to private investors??<br /><br />Is it another way to avoid possible warranty claims, like OMC did when they went bankrupt with the FICHTs??<br /><br />Not trying to pick a fight, but still want to know the answer.

 

[Lark40]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

What happened is that Bomb's larger business of trains and heavy equipment got caught in a cash flow problem due to the slowing of the world economy after 9/11. The Recreational Products Division, which includes SeaDoo and many other products was their top asset that could be sold to provide quick cash. The Bombardier family led an investor group in buying that division.<br /><br />What this deal amounted to was a high-level accounting manueover among wealthy insiders to cover the big corporation's cash situation. It had nothing to do with the profitability of the Rec Products Div, which remains a very desirable asset. People looking at Johnson/Evinrude products should not be concerned with it.

 

[Forktail]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

So the 2-stroke E-tech 90 hp is $6,299 (without shipping, controls, etc) and 305 lbs.<br /><br />A digital EFI 4-stroke Johnson 90 hp is cheaper at $5,999. (A proven Classic Merc 90 hp 2-stroke is cheaper at $4,999. Even a proven Yamaha 90 hp 2-stroke is cheaper at 5,299).<br /><br />If weight is a concern, the Yamaha 90 2-stroke is over 40 lbs lighter. In fact, almost all the other 2-strokes are lighter.<br /><br />I hope the E-tech leaves the rest in the dust. I love Bombardiers. But until then, I'm not going to bite on the hype.<br /><br />I'd like to see the specs on Evinrude's web site. It's odd that dealers supposidly have complete specs and the outboards are being shipped, but we can't find specs directly from Evinrude.

 

[kenneths]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Bombardier is much smarter than you give them credit for....They WANT you to go through the DEALER's door......Dealer protection- a lost art.<br />When you check with a dealer, make sure he has the engine contract, and not just a service contract.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Evinrude e-tec or Yamaha 4 Stroke

Forktail,<br /><br />You forgot to include the 4 stroke 90hp Yamaha at 370 pounds with a $6699 price tag. That is the 90 E-TEC's competition, not the 2 strokes.