evinrude 60 2 stroke

[larsalan]

I just bought my first boat with a 3 cyinder 2 stoke motor. Havent had it in the lake yet but cranked it a bit in a tub of water. Started in neutral but the prop still turns. The po said the reverse doesnt work either. I try and get some pics up soon. lets just start this thread.

 

[StickyWidget]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Welcome Aboard!

When you say the prop turns is it very slowly or fast?

Also the more information you supply the better everyone will be able to answer your questions.

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Just turning slowly. I thought I had seen some videos where the prop doesnt turn at all. Hopefully reverse can get working too. Im looking for the model/manuals no. But this will be my first boat motor.

 

[StickyWidget]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Turning slowly is ok, you'll know when its in gear it will spin like crazy.

Model number is usually on a tag on the right side of the motor transom clamp.

Is is sometimes on a plug about the size of a quarter on the engine. Mine is located beneath the lifting hook.



That's a picture of mine.

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Well, it says it's a Johnson. Is that the same brand as Evinrude?
Maybe we can get somewhere with this info. 1971 that is an oldie. I got the manual now so I'll have a look through that.


model
60esl71c
ser
j3489517

Maybe I can hook a garden hose to the water intake with some duct tape

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

So is there a trans fluid to be serviced on these motors?

 

[StickyWidget]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Well, it says it's a Johnson. Is that the same brand as Evinrude?
Maybe we can get somewhere with this info. 1971 that is an oldie. I got the manual now so I'll have a look through that.


model
60esl71c
ser
j3489517

Maybe I can hook a garden hose to the water intake with some duct tape

Yes, Johnson and Evinrude are pretty much the same motors with different names and paint colors.

1971 is not early as old as you think in the outboard world. Well maintained motors last a really long time.

You can get "muffs" for your outboard for under $10, I would recommend using those over some MacGyver contraption. If you don't get enough water to your engine bad things happen quickly.

There is lower unit oil that needs to be changed yearly. It is in essence a "trans fluid" although you can't to my knowledge use regular trans fluid you need to get lower unit gear lube. If you have an electric shift model it requires a special lube.

 

[eavega]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

If you have an electric shift model it requires a special lube.

You do, indeed, have an electric shift unit. The control should have push-buttons for F-N-R. These motors require a special type of gearcase lube (Type "C") which is thinner than your normal gearcase lube. Motor shifts gears by activating shift soleniods in the lower, which forces the oil through passages in the lower and in turn shifts the gear. You should have a blue and green wire coming from the power head down to the lower which control the shift solenoids. Do a search on iboats for the Joe Reeves quick write up on testing electric shift motors. If the motor is not going into reverse, you need to troubleshoot to see if your solenoids have gone bad. Unfortunately those power heads are not compatible with other non-electric shift motors, and the shift solenoids are NLA and very expensive.
I used to have an Evinrude 50 HP electric shift and the prop would spin very slowly when the motor was in neutral. There was no real power behind the spinning, so you could stop it with your foot. Note that the motor defaults into forward gear until it is spinning fast enough, at which time it will drop into neutral. Having the wrong lube or an inadequate amount of lube in the lower (or malfunctioning shift solenoids) will cause the motor to not shift properly.

Agree with the above poster, get yourself a set of flushettes (the square ones worked best with my 50 HP) instead of rigging something up with duct tape.

Good luck. Having an OEM manual is a good first step to learning how to work on your motor.

Rgds

 

[russell_t]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

hi there yea i am new here to i just bought a oldie to , 1965 mercury 650 , having my loads of issues and learning on this site as much as i can , hope i can get some replies on my thread so i can fix mine, lol yea i just pulled little plug and made little attatchment it works but i live in county i cant wait to buy muffs, in one week i have had this thing apart so much trying to master it still oesnt perform well on water , good luck with yours hopefully they both work soon

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Ok, here's the photos
see a couple of wires that aren't attached there. I love old stuff and this motor sounded fine for the 15 sec or so I had it firing in that bucket.
I'll look for some flushettes and that gear oil.

 

[StickyWidget]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Your choke lever is set to off as best as I can tell, you should be able to push the key in to choke it when starting.

These are pics off my motor, it's newer (1976) than yours but I believe that function of that part is the same.

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

The electric choke is messed up so I have to do it manually. I got the earmuff things and the gear oil. That old gear oil is plum full of water. I hope that doesn't spell disaster for me.

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

changed the gear oil. Tried r,n,f. Always the prop is spinning forward. Maybe there is something wired wrong where reverse isn't connected right?
I guess I need an assistant, though I was pretty sure all gear selection spun the prop forward.

 

[orbanp]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Hi larsalan,

Your best bet would be a factory service manual with a wiring diagram. Mine is a '70, which is similar but not exactly the same.
You should test the wiring of the electric shifter. Those are the dark blue and dark green wires coming up from the leg. There is a knife-edge connector at the bottom of the power head. Open them up, and measure resistance with a DMM. Blue and between the ground, green and between the ground, both should read about 6 to 8 Ohms. (Measure the wires that go down into the leg) One solenoid is energized for neutral, and both for reverse (if I am correct). Forward is default, when none of the solenoids are energized. The shifter switch should give 12V to those solenoids. See if you get that.
The shifting is done by oil pressure, there is oil pressure only if the engine is running.

The gear oil should not have any water in it. You need to change the seals in the gear case so you would not get water in there. If you use the motor with water-oil mixture in the gear case, the bearings and gears will get ruined in short order, and it is a lot more expensive to repair (replace) those!
While you are at it (the gear case removed), you should also replace the the water pump impeller.

In any event, that should get you started!

Peter

 

[eavega]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

changed the gear oil. Tried r,n,f. Always the prop is spinning forward. Maybe there is something wired wrong where reverse isn't connected right?
I guess I need an assistant, though I was pretty sure all gear selection spun the prop forward.

There is something wrong either in the lower unit or in your switch. Its not necessarily something is wired wrong.

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

well mine is wired like this...
a red, blue, and a green wire. From the shifter directly to a 3 way switch on the dash. And that's it, not wired to any thing else, like a power source for instance.
So, I guess that could explain the lack of shifting. Just get throttle off the cable but no signal for gears

 

[orbanp]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

well mine is wired like this...
a red, blue, and a green wire. From the shifter directly to a 3 way switch on the dash. And that's it, not wired to any thing else, like a power source for instance.
So, I guess that could explain the lack of shifting. Just get throttle off the cable but no signal for gears

Well, that might work, assuming the following is met:

- The green wire at the switch is connected to the green wire that is coming up from the leg.
- The blue wire at the switch is connected to the blue wire that is coming up from the leg.
- There is +12V on the red wire at the switch when the ignition is on.
- The 3-way switch is wired as follows:
- in forward neither the green nor the blue wire gets +12V
- in neutral only the green wire gets 12V
- in reverse both green and blue wires get 12V

Peter

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

well, it seems as if someone has rewired the blue/green wires to a 3 position switch on the dashboard. So selecting gears is possible.
Now I wonder do these motors use a magneto? Or there is a ignition coil pack, right?
does the motor charge the battery?
We were cruising along nicely for about 10 min. Then floated a bit and began to have issues firing the motor until the battery was worn down. First it was rough to keep it running, then it seemed as if there wasn't even a sputter or spark to start it, finally the battery was drained and couldn't crank the motor fast at all.
Charging the battery now

 

[larsalan]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

See it was working for a minute

 

[orbanp]

Re: evinrude 60 2 stroke

Hi larsalan,

That motor gas a battery CD ignition, i.e. it needs 12V power to the amplifier all the time (when it is running). It also does have a battery charger that should work.
Check the stator wiring, the yellow and yellow-grey wires from under the flywheel. Then this goes to the rectifier bridge, that is just four diodes. There is also a clipper circuit attached to the output of the rectifier bridge. Any of those could be faulty.

Peter