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We have a volvo penta 305 and want to swap to a chevy generation 1 engine. How difficult will this be?
 

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We have a volvo penta 305 and want to swap to a chevy generation 1 engine. How difficult will this be?

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Could you please elaborate more on your "generation 1" engine?

Are you talking about converting from a vortec to an old school engine? Are you talking about going from an old school engine to a Vortec? Are we talking about an LT1, or LS engine?

The model year and model number of what you have in your boat now will help along with the model year of what you intend to put in.
 

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Sorry about the lack of info. I am trying to get some usable information for my husband as to whether this can even be done. I will tell you what I know and please let me know what else I need to tell you and I will get the answers tonight when my husband gets home. Here is the situation: We went to the lake this weekend and discovered the block had frozen due to our improper winterization. My husband wants to swap the 305 thats in it for a 350. He has a salvage yard so this part wouldn't be a big deal. Buuuut.... his friend has offered him a 1982 new crate motor chevy 350 that he bought new and set it in a corvette and never finished the project. the motor has just been sitting there all these years. That is what we are hoping we can use for our boat. what do you think?
 

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Sorry about the lack of info. I am trying to get some usable information for my husband as to whether this can even be done. I will tell you what I know and please let me know what else I need to tell you and I will get the answers tonight when my husband gets home. Here is the situation: We went to the lake this weekend and discovered the block had frozen due to our improper winterization. My husband wants to swap the 305 thats in it for a 350. He has a salvage yard so this part wouldn't be a big deal. Buuuut.... his friend has offered him a 1982 new crate motor chevy 350 that he bought new and set it in a corvette and never finished the project. the motor has just been sitting there all these years. That is what we are hoping we can use for our boat. what do you think?

Ayuh,... What Vintage is the 305,..??

It's a Simple, Plug, 'n Play if yer go with the same Vintage motors...
There's No external differences between a 305, 'n a 350, of the same Vintage...

With Chevy's, the Big changes are, in 79 the dipstick swapped sides of the motor...
In 86, the 2 pc. rear main seal went to 1 pc...
At about that time, the intake manifold bolt angles changed...
And,...
In 96, the Vortec heads came out, 'n the intakes changed again for the new heads...
 

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Allot depends on what your boat currently has in it right now for an engine (year,model,), along with the specifications of the crate motor.

If your boat has a 1986 or newer engine, chances are the engine in your boat has a 1 piece rear main seal, where as the crate engine most likely has a 2 piece rear main seal. The difference in rear main seals will dictate whether or not the flywheel will swap between engines.

There can be a difference in cylinder head design as well. The 1982 crate engine could have cylinder heads which are either high compression, and/or intended for high RPM use, where as most marine engines like the one installed in your boat primarily used truck style heads which are low compression, and intended to build power at lower RPM's (what a boat needs). The other issue with heads is ensuring your intake manifold will bolt to the '82 heads. There was 3 different design changes to the gen 1 intake manifold bolt patterns over the course of the small blocks history. The '82 will have the original design with 12 bolts at the same angle. The newer heads ('87-'95?) with center-bolt valve covers will have 12 bolts with the middle 4 bolts at closer to a 90? angle than the outer bolts. A manifold for Vortec heads will have 8 bolts, and will not work on older engines.

The cam shaft in the crate motor is most likely not going to play nice in a marine environment, so it would need to be swapped out with a marine spec cam.

The core plugs in the crate engine are most likely steel, and should be swapped to brass unless your boat uses closed cooling.

The cylinder head gasket is most likely plain steel, or steel cored, and should be changed to a marine grade gasket (steel gaskets can rust through especially if used in salt water).

There could be more differences, so again it really all depends on what engine is currently in the boat.
 

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Ok, from what I can see when I look at the motor is that its a 2005, 5.0 GL . Is that what you need to know? Thanks for all your information, my husband will be happy that I was able to find out anything. Now just please tell me it is possible!
 

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Ok, from what I can see when I look at the motor is that its a 2005, 5.0 GL . Is that what you need to know? Thanks for all your information, my husband will be happy that I was able to find out anything. Now just please tell me it is possible!

Ayuh,... For a Plug, 'n Play swap, ya need a 350/ 5.7l built After 1996....

Anything Older will require adapting, 'n of course more Money...
 

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oh, and just to add another point...the carb on the 5.0l will not be jetted correctly for the 350/5.7 and will run way too lean, so the carb will need to be re-jettted, and do not use an automotive carb under any circumstances.
 

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another thought...
The blocks used in marine applications (from what I have seen) are 4 bolt main blocks, and the heads have sodium fill valves and are expensive. This is why a typical automotive motor in a boat of any size just wont do well, performance or longevity, along with the cam like was mentioned previously.
 

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Lol...One more thing...

You will most likely need to re-prop to take advantage of the added horse power. What kind/size boat are we working on anyway?
 

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another thought...
The blocks used in marine applications (from what I have seen) are 4 bolt main blocks, and the heads have sodium fill valves and are expensive. This is why a typical automotive motor in a boat of any size just wont do well, performance or longevity, along with the cam like was mentioned previously.

Not true at all.
Typical marine engine is built using truck components. Not all trucks have 4 bolt main blocks which is also true for a good number of boats. 305/5.0L V8's NEVER had 4 bolt mains from the factory.

I agree that you will most likely see 4 bolt mains and better valves in the high performance small blocks Merc has used. But these simply are not required for your typical marine small block in the family bow rider.
 

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Originally Posted by dpoelstra
another thought...
The blocks used in marine applications (from what I have seen) are 4 bolt main blocks, and the heads have sodium fill valves and are expensive. This is why a typical automotive motor in a boat of any size just wont do well, performance or longevity, along with the cam like was mentioned previously.

Not true at all.
Typical marine engine is built using truck components. Not all trucks have 4 bolt main blocks which is also true for a good number of boats. 305/5.0L V8's NEVER had 4 bolt mains from the factory.

I agree that you will most likely see 4 bolt mains and better valves in the high performance small blocks Merc has used. But these simply are not required for your typical marine small block in the family bow rider.

Ayuh,... I Agree...
 

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Ok, you may be right for bow riders, and you may be right overall, but the 305 I took out of a 79 Bayliner Saratoga was a 4 bolt main. Of course this is a 25 foot 6,000 lb cruiser, and not a bow rider.

Like I said...from what I have seen. Oh, and this was, in fact the original engine, as my father bought the boat new. We replaced it with a 4 bolt main 350 ci. The stress pushing 6,000 vs. a bow rider is no comparison.
 

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Did a little research. 305 4 bolt main's did exist in limited numbers :redface:

Sounds like the engine plant in Canada didn't trust 2 bolt mains to handle all the awesome power the 305 made :rolleyes::D

http://www.rapidomarine.com/default.aspx?p=/block_casting_id_.aspx

I don't hold 4 bolt main blocks on a pedestal like everybody else does. My opinion is that a studded 2 bolt block will handle as much power as a standard production block is going to be able to withstand. If I wanted extra bolts in the main's, I would be finding a 2 bolt block and adding splayed 4 bolt main caps and/or girdles to it. My 454 has lived to a ripe old age (cast in '78) with 2 bolt mains, and is making slightly more power than a 305.;)

Just my 2?
 

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I don't disagree with your assessment of the 4 bolt main, but on the older heavy boat, this thing was balls out all the time to keep that boat on plane. I hooked a vacuum gauge to it and it was near zero most of the time cruising at 3500 rpm. That's why they used sodium filled valves as well. I also heard somewhere way back then that Bayliner (I think before Brunswick) back then bought a gillion 305 truck blocks from GM, and that's why they even used them.

If i were going to make the swap, cam, valves, carb jetting and a prop would be critical if it is in a heavy boat. for a bow rider, then I wouldn't worry about valves, and you might get away without carb jetting, but I would worry about it running too lean.

The vacuum gauge went from near zero to around 7 or 8 on plane, and was moving faster with the new prop. Big difference.

The 350 did make a ton more power and would be a worth while swap if you had a froze engine.
 

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2 or 4 bolt mains are always a topic of debate. Merc put out its most powerful production small block (383 stroker: Black Scorpion 400 HP) and it had 2 bolt mains...

Ive never seen a broken main cap 2 or 4 bolt. (or broken crank for that matter)

Merc also uses alot of 2 bolt BBC's too. They apparently dont think its a huge deal?
 

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its probably not a big deal, but I would worry more about a small block that is underpowered for the weight of the boat it's in, and having to be at 100% peak torque all the time. These engines in heavy boats work very hard, and the HP is less a concern than torque. The 305 is a truck motor and not known for HP. I have twin 305s and they don't work nearly as hard as the single in that older boat of about the same weight.

One nice thing about the small block Chevy, the options are limitless, and parts are pretty cheap.
 

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where as most marine engines like the one installed in your boat primarily used truck style heads which are low compression, and intended to build power at lower RPM's (what a boat needs).
 

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where as most marine engines like the one installed in your boat primarily used truck style heads which are low compression, and intended to build power at lower RPM's (what a boat needs).
 

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where as most marine engines like the one installed in your boat primarily used truck style heads which are low compression, and intended to build power at lower RPM's (what a boat needs).
where as most marine engines like the one installed in your boat primarily used truck style heads which are low compression, and intended to build power at lower RPM's (what a boat needs).

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard Skip2it,...

Yer absolutely Right, but yer stutterin',... :D :D
 
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