Employers going too far?

rivermouse

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imagesCAORTN2R.jpgimagesCA4D2ZJO.jpgI like the security we had back in the good old days, Let them figure out my ophan annie decoder pin..You tell friends "the bossman sucks" all day long and he would never find it out.
 

CaptainKickback

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In regards to Bubba's original post, I do believe that certain individuals have obligations to limit their publicly expressed opinions. A school teacher should probably not be posting pictures on Facebook of themselves puking on Saturday night with the caption "Blowing off steam from the work week". Posting a pic of themselves at a winery with friends with the caption "Enjoying time off with friends" is much more acceptable. Fact is they may both be getting blasted drunk because the little loud mouthed brat in their class is driving them nuts but I wholeheartedly agree that, due to their profession, they should limit their public image to socially acceptable ideologies. If they'd like to post pics of themselves barfing in the street, maybe they should work for the construction company I used to work for. They obviously didn't mind that kind of thing.

On the topic of limiting yourself to texts and emails....well....your text messages are actively monitored. About 2 years ago we received a call from a cell provider who notified us of a series of text messages about someone witnessing what they believed was a body being rolled up in a tarp and thrown in a truck bed. They provided us with not only the phone owners name, DOB, address, phone number, email address and secondary contacts but their current location as well. You are, indeed, being monitored.

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Well Said. And yes, Big Brother technology is upon us. Every credit card use. Everywhere you go with your cell phone (don't even have to use it). Your bank transactions. State highway toll devices (SunPass here in Florida). They don't always need your FB posts. It will get worse. Get used to it or do something about it (legally).
 

Bigprairie1

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just what we need...more regulations :facepalm:

...or maybe another word might be protection. All sort of things in life are regulated unless you live in Sierra Leone. Often another word for regulations are....wait for it.....Laws.
Believe it or not....some 'regulations' are actually there to protect you....believe it or not.:eek:
My two bits.
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joewithaboat

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...or maybe another word might be protection. All sort of things in life are regulated unless you live in Sierra Leone. Often another word for regulations are....wait for it.....Laws.
Believe it or not....some 'regulations' are actually there to protect you....believe it or not.:eek:
My two bits.
BP;):)

So if should post something idiotic on my FB page, i need a law to protect me from someone having a negative opinion of that??

I'm glad businesses use FB and credit scores etc. to separate the responsible ones from the rest of the pack. I worked hard for my over 800 credit score. I think irresponsible people should have consequences for their behavior.

If you like more regulations, you might like one of the others they are working on... Banning all cell phone use in a motor vehicle. :facepalm:

Whats next? eating/drinking
 

wajajaja02

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concur, my dd was dismiss as a father christmas elf by herods depart store in London over a comment on Facebook totally unrelated to herods about nepotism.
 

joewithaboat

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Who said it was idiotic? Just for a second imagine your witfe / daughter asked for your support for womens birth control and your boss was staunchly against it and fired you for your supporting them. (Just an example...)

Bubba,

If you are foolish or stupid enough to paint yourself into a corner with your employer over something you put on your f/b page, you deserve what get.

Fortunately, none of the women in my life require the use of fb as a support system.
 

joewithaboat

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Oh I don't know, lots of regulations are good things. Things like no sweat shops for children to work in, no dumping your toxic garbage in my drinking water supply, you have to have a pilots license to fly a plane or even a drivers license to drive on public roads, and course the Bill of Rights isn't all bad either.

Here's the thing I've noticed about regulations in general, they are brought about because someone was abusive in how they did things and didn't respect the basic rights of others. That may not be true in every situation but it does hold true for the vast majority of regulations. And yes, I'm like everyone else, I hate regulations when they prevent me from dong what I want. I figure that's the cost of living in a society with others instead of living in a cave eating raw meat. :)

The trouble with laws/regulations these days is they are not supporting your rights, they are chipping away at them.
 

joewithaboat

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Fortunately enough people disagree with that idea something is being done about it. Seems a lot of people believe just because you work for someone it does not give them the right to dictate values, morals, political views, or ideology on non-work related issues. Personally, I agree with them.

Bubba,

If a bill is written, voted on and passed more often then not it has to do with pleasing the higher ups. Being... Big business, unions, or or empowerment of politicians.

If a law regulating these social media sites is passed it will more than likely in the interest of protecting big business from misguided lawyers and there despicable law suits.

Have you been paying any attention to all of the recent uncovering of the nationwide abusive use of ADA laws by Attorneys who extort money from small businesses.

Lot of recent talk about this to... How do you feel about the possibility of a "black box" for all automobiles sold in the U.S. ?

Pull your head out of the sand!
 

NYBo

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The trouble with laws/regulations these days is they are not supporting your rights...
Clearly not so in this case. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's all about the rights of individuals.
 

joewithaboat

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Clearly not so in this case. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's all about the rights of individuals.

If you look into it... you will see that corporations are actually behind it more than indivduals. They want to be released from corporate liability and things employees may post online. They dont want to have to monitor/police it.
 

joewithaboat

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Sorry but I don't subscribe to the "everything the government does is evil" thinking. This bill does NOT regulate social media sites, it regulates employers and schools preventing them from demanding your passwords. (Your other topics come to close to being a political post so I'll just skip them.)

I didn't mean to imply that they were going to regulate the sites. I think you know that. Bad wording on my part.

There are so many laws/regulations in the industry i work in that no one person could possibly keep track of them or making sure they comply with them. All we do is keep adding more.

I dont think everything the government does is evil. They sure do a lot of dumb stuff though.

Most people know very little about what actually goes on. If all you do is watch the news, you only think you are informed.
 

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And my bet is that each of them were prompted by someone or a conpany doing something that required it.

Most can be traced back to a law suit.

Look at the one of the biggest and most recent in the Residential construction industry. The new Lead Laws. They passed a law which requires educational classes and licensing fees. They knew how many poeple were in the industry (roughly) and knew how many classes/classrooms they could set up... knowing that if 100% of the seats were full from the day they started classes until the day the laws became enforceable that less than half of the industry could be compliant. They went ahead anyway... because they wanted the fee's of course.

As a homeowner you can also fall into the trap of this little understood, rarely enforced law.

I love our Democracy. However, It is changing for the worse here lately. As you might have guessed I'm pretty conservative and am a big believer in personal freedoms, personal responsibility, and limited government. I think most politicians are shameful, some should be thrown out of office. Some deserve to be behind bars.
 

rivermouse

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Any law that cant or wont be enforsed is a waste of time. However because people on cell phones kill people(far worse than eating etc so that arguement is not a valid one) public safety needs laws to prevent their use. Black boxes that monitor your vehicle that store data that shows your driving is a risk to public safety is a good thing. Black boxes where the cops or big brother can track you without a warrant is not a good thing and I dont think the public will submit to it.InSC this week they are voting on a new law that prohibits cell phone use near schools. If they think for one second that they can stop teenage girls leaving high school from picking up their cell phones as soon as they get in their cars they are crazy. NOTHING WILL STOP THIS.NOTHING
 

NYBo

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I think we've run this thread firmly into Politicsville, guys.:facepalm:
 

joewithaboat

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Any law that cant or wont be enforsed is a waste of time. However because people on cell phones kill people(far worse than eating etc so that arguement is not a valid one) public safety needs laws to prevent their use. Black boxes that monitor your vehicle that store data that shows your driving is a risk to public safety is a good thing. Black boxes where the cops or big brother can track you without a warrant is not a good thing and I dont think the public will submit to it.InSC this week they are voting on a new law that prohibits cell phone use near schools. If they think for one second that they can stop teenage girls leaving high school from picking up their cell phones as soon as they get in their cars they are crazy. NOTHING WILL STOP THIS.NOTHING

Your points are good one's...

Here in TX they have had the "No Phones in School Zone" for a while now. That makes sense and i have no problem with it. Making them flat out illegal in vehicles from the federal level is a bit far reaching. In my opinion things like this should be left to the State Laws.

My teenage daughter doesn't use her beloved iphone in the car because shes knows if i catch her she will be without it. Back to a "dumb" phone Plain and simple. We have consistently enforced consequences in our home and it seems to work well. Back to that personal responsibility thing.

They also have an app for that... Lol It makes the phone inactive if the gps senses it is moving over a certain mph (like in a car)
 

Bigprairie1

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My teenage daughter doesn't use her beloved iphone in the car because shes knows if i catch her she will be without it.

..................respectfully, I'll bet your the first parent to believe that.:D:D:D

BP:)
 

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Oh I don't know, lots of regulations are good things. Things like no sweat shops for children to work in, no dumping your toxic garbage in my drinking water supply, you have to have a pilots license to fly a plane or even a drivers license to drive on public roads, and course the Bill of Rights isn't all bad either.

Here's the thing I've noticed about regulations in general, they are brought about because someone was abusive in how they did things and didn't respect the basic rights of others. That may not be true in every situation but it does hold true for the vast majority of regulations. And yes, I'm like everyone else, I hate regulations when they prevent me from dong what I want. I figure that's the cost of living in a society with others instead of living in a cave eating raw meat. :)

Bubba, I totaly agree with your post and bolded the most important part. To wit, REGULATIONS ARE REACTIVE. Essentially, something bad happened so we will now assume that something bad will always happen.

I'm lookng at the front page of yestrday's Cedar Rapids Gazette which has a picture of a ball field with title Chilld Safety. The article below is headlined Coaching the Coaches with subhead Abuse case heightens awareness in youth leagues.

From the story: "New this year... coaches have been told that two of them need to wait with the last child after practice or a game. If a child needs a ride home, two coaches are to take him. That's to protect the child, BUT ALSO TO AVOID EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF A COACH ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY." Appearance.

From the story, this is all in reaction to the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Granted, child safety canbe accomplished this way, but my strong feeling is that appearance is the most important outcome. Downside is, adults will avoid helping a child for fear of being labled a predator.
 

Bigprairie1

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Speaking of the facebook legacy and being careful what you post of yourself. Here is another one that might bite the facebooker in the butt. The difference here tho' is the legal/law system looking to facebook (again) to draw evidence from.
Do you guys agree with the 'Law' being able to access facebook if you are involved in some sort of litigation or??

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/04/30/bc-lawsuit-facebook-pictures.html

In all probability her facebook habits are probably going to negate her getting away with a......lawsuit?
....be interesting to keep an eye on this.
BP
 

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Speaking of the facebook legacy and being careful what you post of yourself. Here is another one that might bite the facebooker in the butt. The difference here tho' is the legal/law system looking to facebook (again) to draw evidence from.
Do you guys agree with the 'Law' being able to access facebook if you are involved in some sort of litigation or??

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/04/30/bc-lawsuit-facebook-pictures.html

In all probability her facebook habits are probably going to negate her getting away with a......lawsuit?
....be interesting to keep an eye on this.
BP

My opinion...

If she was not misrepresenting her injuries, she wouldn't care about showing the pictures...

If she is lying, i hope she gets a frivolous litigation suit slapped on her. Serves her right.
 
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